Thursday, March 16, 2017

On Me Being Mean To Atheists

Bad news, my trolls, it wasn't a heart attack, I just ripped a muscle in my chest while moving the heavy snow we got the day before last.  I'm not sixty, anymore.   If it makes you feel any better, it hurt like hell but icing it has helped.

Now that the unglad tidings are over,  I've had a piece of mail that asks me why I hate atheists so much and am so mean to them.  Well, I don't hate all atheists and am trying not to hate any of them.  I think my hating some of them is a failing in me and I'm trying to do something about it, though atheists like so many religious fundamentalists, are doing their best to make that hard.  And speaking of fundamentalists, many anti-religious bloggers, including Hemant the "friendly atheist" spews a lot more hatred at fundamentalists - not to mention all other religious folks - its the main topic of his "friendly" blog.  And, to not put too fine a point on it, that's the "friendly atheist".

But about me hatin' on the atheist,  I don't read any of them trying to put their opposition to religion on anything other than a nasty, hateful, snobbish basis.  Tell me when they tell their fellow atheists that they're morally obligated to love their enemies and to... well, I suppose it would be futile to request that they pray for those who persecute them.   Now, that's something that an atheist can't do, pray for those who persecute them, even as I'd guess so many who have been so oppressed by atheists pray for them.  I remember the nuns in catechism used to tell us that we needed to pray for everyone, "even Mr. Khrushchev"  I think it was Sr. Jean Paul who used that phrase.

I think what I do, mostly, falls more in the category of refutation of atheism, its phony account of atheism to day and in the past and its stands, its ideological assertion in science and history, which has anything but an effect of clarification and the furthering of knowledge. I think that whereas the constant howling at the uniformly unsuccessful insertion of religion into science is always sounding, unlike religion, atheism has successfully passed off its ideological assertions as science.

Looking at the link provided to said "friendly atheist" he has a couple of recent posts mocking the mockable Ken Ham over his denial of the reality of the "big bang" the current best model of the beginning of the universe. In a quick skimming of his coverage of the issue, I don't see anywhere where Hemant notes that when Father Georges Lemaitre proposed what would come to be called "the big bang" the foremost opponents of it were not creationist fundamentalists but atheist physicists, cosmologists and philosophers because they suspected Father Lemaitre, one of the most accomplished cosmologists of his time, of trying to insert Biblical creation into cosmology, no matter what his equations said.  That atheist hatred of the Big Bang persisted in the highest realms of formal science as late as the 1990s when the atheist ideologue and editor of Nature,  John Maddox, who published an article in said most prestigious of scientific journals called "Down With The Big Bang,"   You can also point to the myriad of atheist-ideologue-cosmologists such as Sean Carroll who have tried to find ways of getting past the Big Bang to invent all kinds of schemes to get beyond it for pretty much the same reasons as Maddox*.   Of course, there's no means of testing such schemes and many of them involve logical impossibilities and seem, to me, to be based mostly in twisting the meanings of words out of any coherent denotative significance.

Now, that's the kind of stuff I write about atheists, that and noting the moral, political and social consequences of their nihilistic program, even as they deny that is a logical conclusion to the method of atheism.   They will point out to atheists who, unlike the advertised "friendly atheist" are not in fact hate mongers who clearly hate their opponents.  I freely admit such atheists are real, most of them don't seem to be huge on atheist polemics but just simply don't believe.  My problem isn't with such people as individuals, it's the problem with the effect of the moral nihilism that is a logical conclusion of atheism in the wider population, especially those who can exercise power.  I think the history of atheists with political control from the period of the Reign of Terror to today's atheist dictatorships are a real life test of what happens when atheists have power and influence.  I think anytime when the ideological assertion of atheism had sway over a population, something like that is inevitable.   I would argue that the Trump regime is, in effect, the same thing, even with his clearly lying professions of belief, but that's a huge argument that is better had among believers.

*  You should look up Maddox's infamous Nature editorial dismissing the significance of AIDs, calling it "non-existent condition".  I believe he held the editorship for about two decades after that, including the period when he tried to debunk the Big Bang that Hemant is mocking Ken Ham over.

Update:  Robbie Fulks?  As I said yesterday,  If I knew the name of a 3 Doors Down song I'd make a joke.

Update 2:  I really doubt that a prep-school, Ivy League drop out country singer has much to tell me about the reality of God.   I read the lyrics, they're pretty uninspired.  I really don't care to listen to him,  I'm not really big on the Columbia school of country music.  Other than the great Dolly Parton and Willie Nelson, I'm not really big on contemporary country music.  I've got nothing against the genre, in general, though I really prefer the less produced stuff from the early period.

I still agree with Natalie Maines on Toby Keith, especially after he sang that pro-lynching song at Trump's inaugural flop.

I suspect Robbie Fulks was just trying to catch a kulcha wave, hoping to write an atheist anthem as he realizes that that's as big a he's ever going to get.  Really, Mike Seeger did it better if not much less embarrassingly.  Preachy atheists, a shtick that is really old.

Update 3:  Illiterate as ever, typical of blog-rat atheists.

The only music of 3 Doors Down I ever knowingly heard was what Samantha Bee and a few others exposed me to as they were the headliner act at the Trump Embarrassment of an Inauguration Concert.  The only Robbie Fulks I ever knowingly heard was the first thing that came up on Youtube which left me determined to not hear any more.  Like I said,  I already heard Mike Seeger do it better long ago and I didn't like that as much as the real thing, either.  I didn't find his atheist anthum, the words convinced me it would be one of those earnest, preachy singer-songwriter things.  I will not expose myself to singer-songwriter earnestness for such a non-reason.

Update 4:  A. I'm not posting anything he wrote, B. he obviously is suffering short-term memory loss, it's not uncommon in his age cohort among those who never got into the habit of thinking hard. C. he's an habitual liar, I suspect those who don't think hard are likely to lie to fill in the moth holes of their inattention.


  1. A country song about atheism. By a musician who's so your talent and moral superior it's not even a contest.

    And here's the lyrics, you simple shithead. I hope you choke on them.

    A world filled with wonder, a cold, fathomless sky
    A man's life so meager, he can but wonder why
    He cries out to Heaven its truth to reveal
    The answer: only silence, for God isn't real.

    Go ask the starving millions under Stalin's cruel reign
    Go ask the child with cancer who eases her pain
    Then go to your churches, if that's how you feel...
    But don't ask me to follow, for God isn't real.

    He forms in his image a weak and foolish man
    Speaks to him in symbols that few understand
    For a life of devotion, the death blow he deals
    We'd owe Him only hatred, but God isn't real.

    Go tell the executioner of the power he can't defy
    Go tell his shackled victim of the mercy on high...
    Then go to your churches, go beg, pray, and kneel,
    But don't ask me to follow, for God isn't real.

    No, no matter how He should be, God isn't real.

  2. And if you can't tell the difference between Robbie Fulks and 3 Doors Down, you're not just clueless you're fucking deaf. Which doesn't surprise me, actually.

  3. "I suspect Robbie Fulks was just trying to catch a kulcha wave, hoping to write an atheist anthem as he realizes that that's as big a he's ever going to get."

    As usual, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. And you're proud of it, too.

  4. He only wrote it to get a hit?


    Because of his failed career? Wow, you sound just like Trump.


  5. Shorter Sparky: I will continue to courageously respond to things that nobody actually said.

  6. Still not just a liar, but a gutless liar.

  7. So apparently atheists share something with Justice Alito: they're both very special snowflakes who hate the idea that anyone disagrees with them.