Friday, November 18, 2016

Stale Hate

I may or may not post the further spewing of Simps, he's like a lexicon of conventional pseudo-liberal conventional wisdom which is wrong.  Depends on whether or not I want to bother to refute the obviously false anymore today. 

I'm wrote out for now. 

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  1. Please, keep telling me about how white bigoted assholes had legitimate grievances to justify their voting for Hitler.

    Sorry, pal -- if you vote for a Nazi you're a fucking Nazi.
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    1. 1. I know you're not especially good at reading but I never said that anyone had a legitimate reason to vote for Trump or Hitler, never have said anything like that and never would. So you're lying, and the sun is due to set this afternoon and water is wet...

      2. You know, your having to lie about what I said would lead a reasonable person to conclude you don't have and never have had any refutation of what was said.

      3. As Bertrand Russell diagnoses your condition: "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand." You prove you're such a stupid man in every encounter we have, you're only reconfirming that which has already been confirmed. Shouldn't you be talking about fifty-year-old pop music, the terrible injustice when old people in show biz die of old age type stuff and what you're having for supper when no one in the world cares? 
     Update:  Now Simps is calling me a "Nazi enabler".   Yawn!  Here is a reposting of  one of my first pieces,  which I've repeated several times I Won't Be Fair To Fascists I Won't Be Nice To Nazis, in which I call for liberals to stop supporting and worrying about the alleged rights of Nazis and fascists.  I don't recall if Simps was one of the many people who slammed me for that, worrying that it was a violation of the poor, put upon Nazi's civil liberties... to which I say nuts, let the Nazis worry about their civil liberties, it will keep them busy instead of finding ways to obliterate other peoples' civil liberties and lives.   It was, by the way, largely blue-collar class white guys who I'm sure the Baby Blue class white collar guys would slam as "trash" who defeated the Nazis.   My father would probably fall into that category with them. 
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White Christians elected Trump. That can't be denied.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/
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  1. Christians pretty much elect all presidents in the United States, white Christians are certainly an indispensable part of the Democratic coalition that elect pretty much all Democrats who win elections.

    You're alleged to have something to do with science, do you contend that white Christians aren't part of the majority of the vote which A WHITE METHODIST WOMAN WON LAST WEEK?

    Your bigotry makes you stupid.

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  1. Please, keep telling me about how white bigoted assholes had legitimate grievances to justify their voting for Hitler.

    Sorry, pal -- if you vote for a Nazi you're a fucking Nazi.

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    1. 1. I know you're not especially good at reading but I never said that anyone had a legitimate reason to vote for Trump or Hitler, never have said anything like that and never would. So you're lying, and the sun is due to set this afternoon and water is wet...

      2. You know, your having to lie about what I said would lead a reasonable person to conclude you don't have and never have had any refutation of what was said.

      3. As Bertrand Russell diagnoses your condition: "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand." You prove you're such a stupid man in every encounter we have, you're only reconfirming that which has already been confirmed. Shouldn't you be talking about fifty-year-old pop music, the terrible injustice when old people in show biz die of old age type stuff and what you're having for supper when no one in the world cares?

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  2. I guess math isn't your strong suit. Look at the chart. In every election since 2000, a strong majority of Christians voted Republican. Every single election. The evangelicals are massively Republican. According to the article, the more frequently people attended church, the more Republican they are.
    Maybe you should stop yelling about Ivy League elites and concentrate on your brothers in Christ who are the ones responsible for Trump's election. Maybe you should have a dialogue with all those evangelicals. Ask them why they voted 81 - 16 for Trump. Because those are the ones to blame for the next 4 years of a fascist theocracy.

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  3. So, let's see; one guy insists you are a "Nazi enabler," the other insists it's all the fault of "white Christians."

    And you think there's a reason to engage these guys in anything approaching reasoned discourse? Not attacking your desire to respond, but honestly, these two might as well be Trump supporters.

    They don't reason any better than he does.

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  4. The Pew figures in that thing you posted a link to claims that the 2016 electorate included 52% who identified as Protestant, 23% as Catholics, 3% as Jews, 8% as other and 15% as unaffiliated. I will point out, to start that that "unaffiliated" might contain a percentage of other Christians, Orthodox, for example, unaffiliated Christians which might describe me. And also that there an absolute certainty that all of those in the groups designated as non-Christian didn't all vote for Hillary Clinton. So the entire non-Christian vote that could have voted for Hillary Clinton is certainly not 26%. I would think that anyone who thinks it was not below 25% is unrealistic. For example, they list 26% of "unaffiliated" voted for Trump, as did 29% of "other faiths" and 23% of Jews.

    How do you make a winning majority for Hillary Clinton without it including a majority of that winning vote being Christians?

    Which election of a Democrat would have happened if a decisive vote by people who identify as Christians hadn't voted for them? Which election in which a Democrat won didn't the majority of their vote comprise people who identified as Christians?

    Which of the past ten Democrats who were elected President didn't identify themselves as Christians?

    Do you idiots ever stop to consider what you're saying before you spew your bigotry?

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  5. But they're members of a "Brain Trust"! Really, Skeptic Tank is supposed to have had a career in science. I can understand Simps but the aptly named Skeptic Tank?

    And considering Hillary Clinton is a devoted Methodist who atheists have slammed for her participation in a prayer group that included Republicans, they're total hypocrites and total idiots.

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  6. You really don't understand how math works do you? Yes, of course some Christians voted for Hillary, but the majority did not. The majority of Christians voted for a fascist. If evangelicals disappeared there would never be a Republican ever elected. The more people go to church, the more they vote Republican. The less people go to church, the more they vote Democratic. Apparently, churches teach people to be conservative. White Christians elected Trump. Especially the evangelicals who always overwhelmingly vote for religious fascism.
    So why don't you think about why it is that the majority of white Christians voted for a pussy grabbing, lying, thieving fascist? What went wrong with their moral development that made them do that? Clearly religion does do a very good job in instilling a sense of decency in people. Especially the evangelical brand of Jesus. I guess we should expect it of them since their religion was founded on the support of slavery. If you really want social justice, get rid of the goddamn evangelicals.

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  7. Hillary Clinton won most of the vote, tell me how the majority of her vote wasn't comprised of Christians. Of course you can't do it, which means that if she'd won the Electoral College as well as the popular election, she would have won it with a majority of the winning votes being those of Christians.

    If Trump had not gotten the votes of the non-Christians he did get, including, by the way, dopey, atheists and agnostics and anti-Christians, he would almost certainly not have won the election.

    You can play the "who's to blame for Trump" game a lot of different ways, depending on which line of bigotry you want to feed but yours is one of the stupidest.

    The only significant identifier of who is to blame for Trump are the people who voted for him, along with those who didn't vote but who would have voted for Hillary Clinton, if you want to go there. Or you could note the numbers who voted for Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, who I wouldn't be surprised, might have had an unusually high percentage of non-Christians, having seen both footage from the Libertarian convention and having known a lot of idiot Greens, none of whom, off-hand I can recall being Christians.

    You are an idiot who feeds his bigotry on lies and hate.

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  8. Jesus, you are thick. Yes, a majority of people who voted for Hillary were Christians, but even more Christians voted for Trump. A majority of Christians vote Republican in every election. If more Christians were decent human beings, Hillary would have won the election. What does it say about the sorry state of Christianity today that a majority of them voted for a piece of shit like Trump knowing that he is a piece of shit? The more devout people were, the more they voted for Trump. Clearly, preachers in America are leading gullible dimwits astray.
    Of particular concern is the goddam evangelicals. Look how they vote. Without them, Hillary would have won. Atheists and the elites are not the problem, evangelical Christians are. Maybe you should knock off crying about how you got rejected from Harvard and concentrate your bitterness at the evangelicals who are a clear and present danger to our society. They always have been and now they are taking over. But religious tribalism blinds you to that.
    And spare me your puerile whining about bigotry. Christians are not persecuted, they are the persecutors. Trump is establishing a fascist theocracy where the biblebillys will reign supreme and suppress anyone not like them. They're going to start on the Muslims. They'll come for you next. All in the name of Jesus.

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  9. A majority of men voted for Trump a majority of them vote for Republicans in every election (at least recently) so are you proposing the eradication of our gender? Are you proposing that men are "dimwits anyway"? Men account for, by far, the greatest amount of crime, of oppression of women, of LGBT discrimination and bashing, etc. Clearl, if white men had not voted then Hillary Clinton would have won and, as I don't mind pointing out again, if those of higher income hadn't voted as they did, she would have won.

    Since your proposal for dealing with evangelicals is to treat them all as one stereotype and to, somehow, get rid of them, your proposal for that is, in effect, no different from Trump's proposal for dealing with Muslims. Only, just as his plan won't happen, yours is far less likely to happen, at least not without a dictatorship as or more brutal than the one Trump is setting up. That was tried by atheists in the last century and continuing into this one, it didn't work. I have no doubt that American atheists are as capable of mounting such a campaign as those who spoke Russian or Albanian but I doubt they'll get rid of evangelical Chrisianity.

    Of course, as I pointed out, not all evangelicals voted for Trump or even customarily vote for Republicans a smarter question would be to ask what might Democrats could do without violating the absolute requirements of equality and personal autonomy to convince more evangelicals to vote for liberals. But conceited atheists aren't the smartest group of people, their grasp of practical political reality is pretty limited.

    You are a typical American in that you are ignorant of the world, believing that the significant world either ends at the known suburbs of New York City or their particular burg or the borders of the United States. Christians are persecuted and have been in lots of places. They were certainly persecuted in Central and South America with American training within memory, they are prosecuted all over Africa and the middle east and in some places in Asia, they've been persecuted in just about every place where atheists had control of the government. If you are ignorant of that, I'm not surprised.

    The accusation that Trump is a theocrat or that he has developed or will establish a fascist theocracy is one of the stupidest things I've read an atheist saying in a good long while. Like all Republican crooks, he will game the allegedly Christian right to win elections, he will probably try to go farther in allowing them to discriminate against LGBT people and to limit abortion and he will probably approve of them getting public money but he's about as huge a worshiper of Mammon as this country has produced.

    You are a huge bigot and your bigotry makes you unrealistic, paranoid, outrageously dishonest and politically inept. You share all of those with your counterparts who are bigoted in other ways, except that they're less politically inept than you are. They win elections, after all. After a half century of liberals listening to and accommodating atheist bigots and snobs like you, we are in the political wilderness and will remain there as long as your numbskull history of political stupidity reigns. Your thinking and snobbery leads to Republicans winning. The Democratic Party would certainly be better off if it dumped atheists of your kind, so many of whom have been influential writers because they are the ones who get printed in the pathetically few and pathetically counterproductive media of the left. If there is one thing I would like to see, it is for those to be consigned to the futile past and replaced with those which wouldn't publish or broadcast your kind of crap to mislead a new generation.

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