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Bobs_Vendetta • 13 hours ago
Clinton is a neoliberal neocon. Kaine is also a neoliberal neocon. Period.

That you see a lot of self-described liberals touting the liberal credentials (excuse me, the preferred word nowadays is "progressive") of Clinton and now Kaine says more about the moral and ideological bankruptcy of much of today's political left than it does about the Democratic Party ticket.

Most Democrats today in congress, and in the national party apparatus, are neoliberals and neocons. Not only are they not liberal or progressive -- except maybe in a token way on social issues -- they are actually to the right of old-fashioned conservatives. (Of course, today's Republican Party is waaay to the right of old-fashioned conservatives.) The Democratic Party hasn't been a liberal party in many years. The party has been dominated by neoliberals at least since Bill Clinton. Although most of the party opposed the neocon foreign policy introduced by Cheney (with Bush going along) when Republicans were in charge, most Democrats became neocons once it was a Democratic administration doing the bombing and interrogating.

That strong support exists among the American people for a strong liberal (or progressive) party became obvious in 2016. However, the neoliberal neocon forces which dominate the party resorted to widespread voter suppression and outright election fraud to make sure the neoliberal neocon agenda remained the driving force of the party.
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Anthony_McCarthy  Bobs_Vendetta • 13 hours ago
List the people you approve of who have been elected to the Congress, the presidency, Governorships or even state legislatures. Who can get elected is the real limit of how liberal a liberal can get elected, not some litmus test by someone who likes to dress up and wear masks and play pretend as seen in a movie.
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Bobs_Vendetta  Anthony_McCarthy • 8 hours ago
One of the most salient characteristics of Clinton supporters is an attitude dripping with self-righteousness, reveling in put downs and character assaults. They get this, of course, from the candidate herself and her close supporters, as well as her media surrogates (many of them former journalists).
I might have a modicum of respect for people like you if you all had the integrity to call yourselves neoliberals and neocons instead of bandying about the word "progressive" as though it still meant anything in your hands. If you could discuss the issues without childish taunts that would be an added plus.
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Anthony_McCarthy  Bobs_Vendetta • in 3 minutes
One of the most salient features of lefty puritans is that they can't win public office in the United States and they carp and complain most about the most liberal people who can win public office, enabling the least liberal people who can do that. Winning public office defines the boundaries of political possibility in a democracy at any given time. Another salient feature of them is their affection for foreign dictators who are not democratically elected, who do not rule democratically and who violate every aspect of their puritanism which they would scream mightily about if someone ruled their own country that way, either that or their insane anarchism which would put exactly those kinds of people in power as they took control in the vacuum of civil authority.

Lefty puritans are the most hypocritical of people who are allegedly of the left, supporting some of the worst dictators of the 20th century who violate every alleged article of their professed political morality. It's OK as long as it isn't they whose rights are violated.

Many of us have given that nonsense up to face reality and what is possible instead of what makes us feel good in our fantasy play-time.

Oh, and I notice you haven't come up with a list of actual, office holding, politicians as I asked. It's because you can't because your guys can't win.