I'll note that it is more than a trifle funny that it was two of Duncan's regular dolts, Simels and "R McGeddon" who had the clueless exchange about my post on the definition of "antisemitism" yesterday. What's funny is it was an exchange of what would certainly be considered antisemitic and anti-Roma "jokes" between that pair of idiots that triggered the war Simels declared on me and not the ass who made the joke using a Jewish stereotype. You can see that documented in this post, with a link to the original Eschaton comment thread.
They don't do much reading at Eschaton, Duncan's idea of an Athenaeum. Or thinking. I have gone from being an increasingly disenchanted participant to seeing it as useful only to find specimens of why the secular-left has failed, fails still and will always fail. I got out of it.
Also, it's interesting that the reason I stopped going there the first time, the sexist Hillary Clinton bashing during the 2008 primary season would seem to still be going on along with the bashing of Nancy Pelosi and Democrats in general by the rump Bernie or Busters there. As Anne Sexton said, "There are no prayers here. Here there is no change." I should have known not to go back after the election. In 2008. Never wait to break a bad habit.
Lying again, quel surprise. As I've explained to you on numerous occasions, that Roma joke was by Paul Krasner, who meant it -- as did I when recycling it -- as a parody of my fellow Red Sea Pedestrian's obsession with a Jewish homeland. But since you know nothing about anything, let alone humor, satire or Jews, you keep insisting it's a slur. Go fuck yourself.
ReplyDeleteTypical Simps, demanding that I provide him with his alleged citations.
DeleteYou said it, asshole, you presented it as your expression, it's not, funny, alleged comedy based in stereotyping is not funny when it's done to promote hatred against Black People, against Jews, or against Roma who are subject to continuing and deadly discrimination, one of the foremost targets of resurgent Nazism in places like Hungary even as Jews are (temporarily) not as stylishly targeted. That a bunch of assholes at Eschaton, including a bunch of atheists who are of Jewish ancestry, stylishly indulge in ethnic slurs is no different from Andrew Dice Clay doing his bit to make the world safe for racism and sexism in the late 70s and 80s which Trump, Miller and Bannon riff off of now.
Jewish assholes are first and foremost assholes, as Stephen Miller and Andrew Dice Clay and Steve Simels prove.
1. "Typical Simps, demanding that I provide him with his alleged citations."
ReplyDeleteI did nothing of the sort. What in the barreling fuck are you talking about?
2. "comedy based in stereotyping is not funny.. even as Jews are (temporarily) not as stylishly targeted...no different from Andrew Dice Clay doing his bit to make the world safe for racism and sexism."
The joke I made, which I have explained to you ad nauseum but you are apparently too cosmically thick to understand, was self-deprecating humor made by Jews about Jews. How is that in anyway analagous to Andrew Dice Clay, a man to whom the word "self-deprecating" has been appended exactly never?
3. "Stylishly targeted?" What in the barreling fuck are you talking about?
The "joke" you made was about the Roma people.
DeleteStupy, the only thing explainable about you is what I said, it's more than merely possible for Jewish people to be bigoted assholes, you are a supreme example of a New York City area Jewish chauvinist who has, time and time again, exposed yourself as someone who doesn't consider the Nazis murder and intention of genocide against Poles, Roma, the disabled, . . . of any significance, whatsoever. I've written in response to you several times that unlike you, I refuse to grade people on that basis, Nazi thinking. All assertions and thoughts of human beings graded in terms of valuation is Nazi style thinking, something they got scientific support for from the theory of natural selection which is all about claims of such qualitative valuation of organisms, including human beings.
Bigotry can be very stylish, as I said in my original post responding to your lie that I was an antisemite, I gave the instance of the minor fad of expressing Stephen Miller style racism and bigotry among gay men in, especially, New York City in the late 1970s. As I noted, the worst case of that was a gay man who was Jewish, though after I wrote it, I remembered he was originally from the Chicago area, having moved to make his name in The City. Only he didn't, he died of AIDS related complex from too much promiscuous anal sex.
"The "joke" you made was about the Roma people. "
ReplyDeleteSaid by anybody who isn't a blithering idiot exactly never. Here's a clue about how humor works, you moronic hick -- it isn't literal.
Now go fuck yourself. That isn't literal either, in case you were wondering.
You forget, I posted the exact text of what you said and a link to the comment thread at Eschaton where you and "R McGeddon" had the exchange of "jokes". His was about Jews, yours was about "gypsies". Anyone who cared to fact check what I said could go and look at your comment with your name and your grav at Duncan Black's blog.
DeleteAnd as I've pointed out, Trump's regime of racists seem to think like you do since they set up a concentration camp for Latino children in an abandoned strip mall.
How drole.
The word is "droll," you illiterate yutz.
DeleteOh, wait -- I forgot again. Standardized spelling is a tool of bourgeois oppression.
:-)
And here I warned you about the set-up. You are so manipulable. Not literally, I'd need a haz-mat suit to do that to you lit'rally it's too hot here and I wouldn't want to risk doing something you'd like.
DeleteAnti-Semitism can be stylish? You obviously go to different fashion shows than normal people.
ReplyDeleteIt was very stylish among modernist trendsetters in Europe in the early 20th century, almost all the ones I'm aware of who made such a declaration, atheists.
DeleteHatred of Muslims is very stylish among certain sets in the NYC area. The Semites left out of that definition of the word originally invented by a Viennese Jew-hater of the atheist, scientistic variety to make his bigotry more scientific and stylish. I've come to think of that as the quest to add a "mus" (or its English, French, etc. translation) to your preferences so as to turn it into science, very stylish in the modern period.
"Hatred of Muslims is very stylish among certain sets in the NYC area."
DeleteAnd you know this because....????
Oh wait, no, you don't.
Because all of the shit that comes out of the heads of NYC shitheads makes its way into the media.
DeleteRight. "Stylish."
ReplyDeleteEnglish really isn't your first language, but that's no secret.
I think I'll start posting more words with misspellings as it brings out the tireless little meter maid of orthography in you.
DeleteHey, you want to look even more illiterate than you are, go for it.
ReplyDeleteI was actually being modest, I'd been reading French not long before I typed that and sometimes I get the spelling of cognates mixed up. I didn't want anyone to think I was showing off. Now I don't care.
Delete"Now I don't care."
ReplyDeleteQuel surprise. We already know you don't care enough about your piece of shit blog to post stuff that resembles actual writing.
Simps, I tried writing down to the likes of you. After running the experiment I realized that that only works if you limit yourself to very simple ideas and life requires looking into complicated things. That you're about as capable of reading those as you would be the theology of Karl Rahner, or, rather, totally incapable, doesn't matter one bit.
DeleteWhat I don't care is if people think I'm showing off that I know French. In my major program it was required to be able to read three foreign languages, German French or Italian were considered the most important of those, alas I don't read Italian well at all.
I can read Esperanto like a native.
"I gave the instance of the minor fad of expressing Stephen Miller style racism and bigotry among gay men in, especially, New York City in the late 1970s."
ReplyDeleteGay men were expressing Stephen Miller style racism in the late 1970s? Stephen Miller was born in 1985. And I'm the one who doesn't understand how sequential time works?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You don't understand how words work and the difference between words and events. There is no chronology required for me to note that the kind of racism that Stephen Miller engages in is the same kind of racism that were the comedic shit of Andrew Dice Clay, the only thing required is that there be a sufficient level of similarity and there is. It's no more anachronistic than you making an accusation of antisemitism against Christians in the entire period before the word was invented in the late 19th century.
DeleteThat's an entirely different matter from the timing of events in which chronology is relevant and crucial. If I'd claimed that Andrew Dice Clay said something in 1979 about something that didn't happen or didn't exist until 2018, that would be anachronistic, if I said that his racism was stylistically identical to that of Stephen Miller it would not be an anachronism.
You know, Stups, back when I was going to a State Land Grant University that level of subtlety would have been expected of anyone who was going to remain instead of being flunked out. Apparently Kornflake Kollege didn't have such high standards.
"It's no more anachronistic than you making an accusation of antisemitism against Christians in the entire period before the word was invented in the late 19th century."
ReplyDeleteSo there was no anti-Semitism before the word was invented?
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If a tree falls in the woods and knocks the brains out of Simels does that mean that he's more illiterate than he was before it happened?
DeleteClearly not.
That's the exact opposite of what I said, you idiot.
Of course it's not the opposite of what you said. Not that you're capable of understanding the concepts of front/back, beginning/end, then/now, etc.
ReplyDeleteYou ass, I said that your using the word "antisemitism" to describe the antisemitism of people in the period before the word was invented was NO MORE ANACHRONISTIC than what I did when I used Stephen Miller's racism to describe Andrew Dice Clay's racism in the late 1970s and 80s. I was saying the two things were as valid. Considering I pointed out to you the antisemitism of Antiochus Epiphanes, Tacitus, Voltaire, David Hume - all with long passages of their anisemitic writing to prove that those heroes of anti-Christian, atheist bigots - over the past few years, your claim is even stupider than it would appear to a literate person who was unaware of that history.
DeleteYou are mentally defective.
Why should I give a shit about the opinions of anybody who thinks the Jews of Israel should have moved to Jan Brewer's Arizona because they would have been welcomed with open arms?
ReplyDeleteWaitaminnit -- why am I asking a trick question?
:-)
Oh, you think that several million Jews would have voted for Jan Brewer? I've got more faith in Jews than you do, apparently.
DeleteWhat I said wasn't a matter of opinion, it was a matter of fact and logic. I'm not surprised anyone who has never experience fact and logic would mistake those for opinion, which, like everyone else, you have one, and most of them stink.
"Oh, you think that several million Jews would have voted for Jan Brewer?"
ReplyDeleteApparently a lot of them voted for Rick Scott in Florida, you ignorant shithead hick.
When I want your opinions on Jews frankly I'll beat them out of you. Until then, you really need to shut your anti-Semitic pie hole.
Oh, so you don't trust Jewish voters as a group. What makes you think that right-wing Jews would be discriminated against in the state which sent Barry Goldwater to the Senate so many times? A state with one of the lowest incidences of reported antisemitic acts of any state in the country, far lower than NY and New Jersey, according to the ADL.
DeleteIf several million Jews would have voted for Jan Brewer, I'd eat your beret, without washing it a thousand and two times before.
I just have a better opinion of Jews than you do. That's clear from what I've written.
Jews, by a wide margin, have been in the top several loyal Democratic constituencies and among the most reliably liberal groups in the country. I've met the kind of right-wing asshole you apparently claim are typical, they're usually hard-core Zionists or just selfish assholes. But they're not typical. The extent to which any group can be typified, which is not very high.
Anyone who read this exchange, who read the links to the original exchange that you used to make your libelous accusation on Duncan Black's blog would know that your accuastion against me is a lie, even as you aren't bothered by negative stereotypes of Jews made by your buddies there.