The Thought Criminal: If They Were The Cleveland 10 They'd Never Have Made The Movie

Monday, February 13, 2017

If They Were The Cleveland 10 They'd Never Have Made The Movie

Let me guess, everything you know about that period was what you saw in the movie Trumbo.

Let me break this to you gently, MOVIES AREN'T REAL!

And give me a break, if the Hollywood 10 hadn't been scribbling for the movies they'd never have bothered turning them into movie heroes. Movie people, show people, theatrical and other writers.... they always turn their own into heroes even when they're in no way heroic.

Let me know when they do a big, splashy Hollywood-feel-good-about-itself movie about the 13 who were killed in the Night of the Murdered Poets plus the guy who died in prison. Let me know when they do the fifth one. Maybe I'll do a search and compare how much was written in the self-absorbed lefty magazines of America about the 13 who were murdered after they'd been tortured for years as compared to the guys who had the horrible fate of. after getting out of their short sentences in country-club prisons for contempt having to get fronts for their scripts for a few years. And the irony of it is that those murdered 13 were Communists who had supported the same Stalinism that the rich, First Amendment protected American scribblers never stop romanticizing. Only they had to stop pointing out that it was Stalin who those guys adored in the 30s - 50s.

I should search to see if any of the Hollywood 10 scribblers ever wrote about the 13 dead writers and what they said about them. If anyone who so mightily objects to what I said can point me to anything they wrote that condemned the murders of their fellow writers by the same Stalin and his thugs who they, their party and their comrades carried water for, I'll post it.

Update: Two Comments

2 comments:

steve simelsFebruary 13, 2017 at 4:56 PM

SPARKY LOGIC

"Leib Kvitko (1890–1952), Yiddish poet and children's writer"

Fucking genius, because killed by Stalin.

"Lester Cole (June 19, 1904 - August 15, 1985) American screenwriter"

Hack bad writer, because he wrote for the movies and only went to jail for a short time.
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Update 2: Look up his career at IMDB, Lester Cole was a hack writer of b and lower list movies and not a very good one.

It's my experience that, in almost all cases, a first rate movie is about on the same level as a third-rate book but they're a lot more profitable because crap that's easier to consume than a good book will get a bigger audience. And I doubt anyone expected to get sex for bringing anyone to the books.

Update 3: Oh, come on, Simps, you use my jokes, passing them off as your own. I've seen you do it.

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steve simelsFebruary 13, 2017 at 4:37 PM
Let's run it by you again, in all caps, for the slow-witted.

YOU, SPARKY, DISMISSED THE FACT THAT THE HOLLYWOOD 10 WENT TO JAIL BECAUSE RUSSIAN WRITERS (WHO APPARENTLY WERE BETTER THAN THE HOLLYWOOD 10 FOR NO OTHER REASON THAT THEY DIDN'T WORK IN HOLLYWOOD) WERE KILLED BY THE SOVIETS.

HERE'S A CLUE, SHITHEAD -- UNLESS THE HOLLYWOOD 10 WERE BEING CHARGED WITH ESPIONAGE (AND THEY WEREN'T, BECAUSE HOLLYWOOD SCREENWRITERS DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO NATION SECURITY SECRETS) THEN OUR GOVERNMENT HAD NO FUCKING LEGAL OR MORAL REASON TO BE INVESTIGATING THEIR PRIVATE POLITICAL BELIEFS.

And have I mentioned fuck your moral non-equivalency ass?

Fuck you.
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steve simelsFebruary 13, 2017 at 4:56 PM
SPARKY LOGIC

"Leib Kvitko (1890–1952), Yiddish poet and children's writer"

Fucking genius, because killed by Stalin.

"Lester Cole (June 19, 1904 - August 15, 1985) American screenwriter"

Hack bad writer, because he wrote for the movies and only went to jail for a short time.
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steve simelsFebruary 13, 2017 at 5:36 PM
Oh, go fuck yourself, Sparky. This is the equivalent of you telling Western feminist women to shut up because they're not protesting the genital mutilation of women in Arab countries to the degree that makes you feel good. And you're the REAL feminist.

Seriously, go fuck yourself.

Seriously, go fuck your
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The Thought CriminalFebruary 13, 2017 at 5:41 PM
Lester Cole was a friggin' hack, he shouldn't have been asked questions about his entirely legal political idiocy by HUAC and shouldn't have been held in contempt for not answering questions about legal activity.

I have no idea if Leib Kvitko was a genius, but he should not have been arrested for being a Jew because the Soviet dictator got paranoid about Jews with the establishment of Israel, tortured and murdered on the order of Stalin.

Shorter Simels, Lester Cole being sentenced to a country-club prison for a short term and having to submit his crappy scripts under a fake identity, the greatest injustice of all times, Leib Kvitko, tortured and murdered by one of the most accomplished mass murderer for the crime of being Jewish, "meh"
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steve simelsFebruary 13, 2017 at 6:16 PM
"It's my experience that, in almost all cases, a first rate movie is about on the same level as a third-rate book "

It's my experience that in ALL cases you know absolutely dick about movies, their history, how they're made, or any critical assessment of them as art.
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steve simelsFebruary 13, 2017 at 8:09 PM
"Update 3: Oh, come on, Simps, you use my jokes, passing them off as your own. I've seen you do it. "

Man, you are some liar. I'm really impressed, shithead.
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steve simelsFebruary 13, 2017 at 8:14 PM
" you use my jokes, passing them off as your own. I've seen you do it. "

You're insane. Seriously.

Get help. I've been telling you that for ages, and you keep ignoring me.

Get help. You're fucking nuts.
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steve simelsFebruary 13, 2017 at 8:16 PM
INHERIT THE WIND on now on TCM.

Amazingly, not a single character mentions how Darwin is going to cause The Holocaust.
:-)
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The Thought CriminalFebruary 13, 2017 at 8:46 PM
Oh dear, what part of MOVIES AREN'T REAL was too complex for you to get?

If you read the documents from the actual Scopes trial instead of that piece of Broadway -> Hollywood crap you'd see that William Jennings Bryan did, actually, predict that it would lead to results like the Holocaust. Only, in the real trial, not that piece of fiction, Clarence Darrow knew that his statements in the defense of "Babe" Leopold could be used to cut his argument in Scopes to shreds so he maneuvered to prevent Bryan from giving it. Luckily, the text exists and can be read. By such as can read, which doesn't include you or the others that put the "scat" into Eschaton.

You are so endlessly stupid and clueless and self-contradicting, Simels, I do wonder if you have some occult power, extra-stupory-imperception.
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The Thought CriminalFebruary 13, 2017 at 9:08 PM
There's this passage from Bryan's speech, for example, that is remarkably prescient of how Germany was going to go.

Quotes an English Author

To show that this is a world-wide matter, I now quote from a book issued from the press in 1918, seven years ago. The title of the book is "The Science of Power," and its author, Benjamin Kidd, being an Englishman, could not have any national prejudice against Darwin. On Pages 46 and 47 we find Kidd's interpretation of evolution:

"Darwin's presentation of the evolution of the world as the product of natural selection in never-ceasing war was a product, that is to say, of a struggle in which the individual efficient in the fight for his own interests was always the winning type - touched the profoundest depths of the psychology of the West. The idea seemed to present the whole order of progress in the world as the result of a purely mechanical and materialistic process resting on force. In so doing it was a conception which reached the springs of that heredity born of the unmeasured ages of conquest out of which the Western mind has come. Within half a century the 'Origin of Species' had become the bible of the doctrine of the omnipotence of force."

Kidd goes so far as to charge that "Nietzsche's teaching represented the interpretation of the popular Darwinism delivered with the fury and intensity of genius." And Nietzsche, be it remembered, denounced Christianity as the "doctrine of the degenerate," and democracy as "the refuge of weaklings."

Kidd says that Nietzsche gave Germany the doctrine of Darwin's efficient animal in the voice of his superman, and that Bernhardi and the military textbooks in due time gave Germany the doctrine of the superman translated into the national policy of the superstate aiming at world power. (Page 67.)

And what else but the spirit of evolution can account for the popularity of the selfish doctrine, "each one for himself, and the devil take the hindmost," that threatens the very existence of the doctrine of brotherhood.

In 1900 - twenty-five years ago - while an international peace congress was in session in Paris, the following editorial appeared in L' Univers:

"The spirit of peace has fled the earth because evolution has taken possession of it. The plea for peace in past years has been inspired by faith in the divine nature and the divine origin of man; men were then looked upon as children of apes - what matters it whether they are slaughtered or not?"

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Of course, he was a lawyer and a liberal politician, not a biologist. I'd have been happier if he'd called what he was talking about "natural selection" but he didn't. Not that it would make a difference to you because you don't know enough to know the difference.
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