Thursday, December 25, 2025

The Visible Revelation Of God

 Theophany 

(Luke 2 & Matthew 1-2)

What are we who tried so hard
to keep you far from us,
addressing you as God Most High.
Lord, King, and offering gold on gold, 
clouds of incense, myrrh,
to make of this?

What are we who tried so hard
to save you from the smell
of those below the bottom rung
 and now must step around still steaming
 dung to reach your manger bed
 to make of this?

What are we who tried so hard
to pick and purchase gifts of royal ilk
and now see you, despite malodorous
incense, drafty cold, move toward
your mother's milk with infant bliss
to make of this?

Sr Irene Zimmerman SSF

O Magnum Mysterium 

Tomás Luis de Victoria


O magnum mysterium
et admirabile sacramentum,
ut animalia viderent Dominum natum
jacentem in praesepio.
O beata Virgo, 
cujus viscera meruerunt
portare Dominum Jesum Christum.
Alleluia!

O great mystery, and wonderful sacrament,
that animals should see the new-born Lord, lying in a manger!
Blessed is the Virgin whose womb was worthy to bear Christ the Lord.
Alleluia!

After Praying For Justice, Justice Demands That Alan Dershowitz's Slander Against Maria Farmer Be Exposed Even Today

THAT QUINTESSENTIAL LIAR-LAWYER the Dersh is at it again, attacking some of the earliest victims of his client Jeffrey Epstein his pimpess and co-sexual criminal, Ghislaine Maxwell in the lowest end-American fascist media.  

I don't really feel like writing this so here a long passage  from Guilt by Accusation: Alan Dershowitz and Maria Farmer by Vernon Thorpe , August 12, 2020.   After a summary of Dershowitz's smears against Maria Farmer (I won't actually quote that liar unless I have to) a more accurate version with analysis is given. 

Most readers, on seeing these statements, would conclude that whoever uttered them was someone with very bigoted attitudes towards Jews in general and prone to the kind of conspiratorial thinking that takes hold in the minds of people with paranoid tendencies.

What happens if we actually listen to the interview, to which Dershowitz provided no link or reference? As there is no transcript of the interview I have transcribed the relevant sections of it myself, together with timings so that readers can check for accuracy.

Exhibit 1

“They think Jewish DNA is better than the rest of us.”

This is cited by Dershowitz as an example of the“bigotry Maria Farmer spewed during a recorded two-hour interview that can be heard online.”

What Farmer actually said, in the relevant section of the interview (a

“When I called Ghislaine [Maxwell] and asked why I couldn’t eat there [at a private and exclusive country club] she said “it’s a Jewish country club, you’re not Jewish, they’re not going to serve you.” This is how this woman spoke to me, yeah. This is how these people think Whitney. They, honest to God, think their DNA is better than everybody else’s, I swear to you. It was a theme all the time with them. With Eileen Guggenheim, with Jeffrey Epstein, with Ghislaine. It was a theme.”

It is quite clear from the context that Farmer, when she says “They”, is referring to the set of people she mentions and not all Jewish people. Yet Dershowitz, by stripping away the context of the quotation, leads the reader to assume that “They” is a universal ascription of certain views to Jews in general of the kind that might be made by a genuinely bigoted person.

Exhibit 2

“I had a hard time with all Jewish people.”

“I think it’s all the Jews”.

“All the Jewish people I met are pedophiles that run the world economy.”

The context of these quotations can be seen below.

“1hr 24.05 “I was actually glad I was in hiding in obscure hillbilly town. Like I’ve had to live in horrible places full of ignorant hillbillies and it was a relief because they weren’t elites, you know. It was just, it’s, for a long time I had a hard time with all Jewish people, I’m gonna be honest with you. For a long time I was like, I think it’s all the Jews. Like I don’t know, because my sister is like, “Maria, it’s just the ones you met, it’s these people.” It’s just unfortunate that all the Jewish people I met also happen to be pedophiles that run the world economy, you know. So it gives like a bad taste in your mouth. But David Icke has kind of helped me with that. I kind of understand it better now, but like er that looks hard. You know, they did a number on all of us. We’ve all had a hard time with, like, a lot of it because of the abuse, you know. So it’s hard to not then go, all these people are like this when it’s not true, not all of them, just a huge chunk of elites are like this.”

The first thing to notice here is that Dershowitz removes the words “For a long time” from both the first and second quotes. Had he kept the phrase in, this might have led readers to ask what Maria Farmer’s evolving attitudes were and whether she has distanced herself or is in the process of doing so from previous attitudes. Compare how you might react on hearing that someone had said, “For a long time, I thought, black people are inferior”, as opposed to hearing the person had simply said “black people are inferior”.

Farmer explicitly distances herself from a bigoted stance towards “all Jewish people” seeing herself as trying to recover from such an attitude. In this context, she refers to the advice of her sister and, alarmingly, that of David Icke who certainly has trafficked in wild conspiracy theories concerning lizards and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Not the best choice for a guide, to put it mildly, and a worrying sign of Farmer’s naivete – but the point here is that she is actively resisting a tendency to bigotry she presents as arising from her traumatic experiences.

Again she refers to the specific people she came across in the Epstein set, who she claims are powerful pedophiles that run the world economy. And she suggests that as a result of the abuse she says she suffered at the hands of people within this elite set, she developed an attitude towards Jews that was bigoted and which she is trying to resist. She does not deny that she has sometimes blurred the line between Jews generally and the arrogant criminal conduct of the elite set, but it must be recalled that she was a young woman at the time of the alleged abuse and has since struggled with her prejudice, hoping to overcome it.

It is hardly unusual for abuse victims to develop negative and irrational attitudes to groups of people who share features with their abusers. Female rape victims not uncommonly struggle not to have negative attitudes to all men, or to all men who share certain physical characteristics with the men who raped them. Very often such victims know that such attitudes are irrational and struggle with them. Or think of the attitudes to ‘all Germans’ of some Holocaust victims, or to ‘the Japanese’ of British prisoners of the Japanese in World War II, or of the attitudes of Jewish and Palestinian victims of Palestinian and Israeli terrorism to those they identify with the terrorists. To quote Maria Farmer in a way that deliberately suppresses her struggles with past attitudes and depict her as a straightforward bigot to be excoriated is to suppress the voice of someone who may simply be trying to recover from damage inflicted upon her.

Exhibit 3

“These people truly believe they are chosen every one of them.”

Maria Farmer does not actually say what Dershowitz has her saying (by combining two clauses in different sentences). Again, “every one of them” clearly refers to a specific group, the Epstein set.

1hr 32.04-1hr 32.47

“You wouldn’t believe the way Jeffrey and Ghislaine spoke about African-Americans. It was like, it made my skin crawl. Anybody who was not Jewish, and you should write about this, but the way they spoke about them, it was really horrifying and it showed me a great deal about how these people truly believe that they are chosen to do something here. I don’t know, it’s unbelievable to me. I mean, and it was every one of them, the way they spoke. And one time I heard Isabelle say to her mother Eileen [Guggenheim] “Mommy, why do you call Maria a nobody” and she said “Honey, Isabelle, Maria is not a Jew, she is a nobody. So you can see why, for about 20 years…”

Exhibit 4

“They are “Jewish Supremacists”

1hr 33.45-1hr34.04

“This is a problem, this elitism is very deep and these are the people pushing racism, these are the people saying, pushing white, saying there is White Supremacy, which maybe there is in some ignorant Southern hillbilly groups, but I don’t know any White Supremacists but I know a lot of Jewish Supremacists they’re all elites and they are all connected. And they are the biggest Supremacists I have ever met. And the things they said about Black people made me cry. Honest to God. It made me sick.”

Note that Dershowitz completely misquotes Farmer here and again, by stripping the quotation of context leads his readers to assume that “They” refers to all Jews, rather than Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and their set. Presumably for Dershowitz, someone condemning White Supremacists they had met, and referring to that particular group as ‘they’, could be condemned as having a bigoted attitude to all white people – even if they said in the same interview that they know this isn’t about white people as a group.

It is worth now quoting Farmer at length to gain an insight into the levels of dishonesty Dershowitz is to employ.

PART 2

34.19 – 37.27

“So Jeffrey and Ghislaine they were at the estate, they came like three times to visit Wexner while I was there. And they would go meet with him and then they would come back. And Ghislaine said they were working on all these Israeli charities for students and for,you know,Jewish people. And I remember thinking, oh that’s weird. And she was like, she was like “you don’t understand our loyalty to Israel, Maria. You don’t understand our loyalty.” She’s like, “unless you’re a dual citizen you just don’t get it”. She’s like “your people could never understand.” She would say “My people, your people, The Chosen Ones”, all that bullshit. And I’m just like…Let me tell you something, if I walk out of here not at all racist it’s a freaking miracle. Because I struggle every day with it. I’m like urgh I was so abused. I guess it could have happened from any group but because they are the ones that happen to control the world. It’s hard, it’s really hard, like this specific group of elites. It’s really hard to not just hate them, you know. So I haven’t gotten over hating that Ghislaine and the way she…

WW: I think they try and lump everyone in by design too, you know, in order to give themselves protection.

MF: Yes.

WW: I think it’s very intentional.

MF: It is very intentional.

WW: I can’t blame you for feeling that way considering what you had to go through so.

MF: Right. Well I don’t really feel that way. Let me tell you my background. Every boyfriend I’ve ever had was very Jewish, like 100 per cent, and never, I mean I had the best relationships in New York, I mean these were like the most patient guys, I don’t know why they put up with me, I think back on it and like those were the nicest guys. So there were the four boyfriends I had and everybody who got in touch with them says you know what Maria your boyfriends loved you so much and say nothing but nice things. So I have had very good experiences.But it was the Eileen Guggenheim thing and the Ghislaine all of that really soured me on like the religious, on religion in general, if you wanna know the truth. Like religion being used against people. And erm just all of it. It just really soured me. And I don’t, I don’t totally trust people, even though I have friends that are Jewish, like I still have fraught trust issues because, and it’s so unfair to them – rationally I know it’s unfair, but I was so, you know, scalded by the hot water, you know, I just can’t, I just can’t, I just can’t stick my hand back in. Like it’s too hard right now.

WW: That’s ok, it makes sense.

MF: But I don’t totally feel that way. I’m just being honest. I’m like a really honest person Whitney. And so, most people will never talk about that stuff. And I’m not…and the other thing that pisses me off is this whole anti-semitic bs because they call Bernie Sanders anti-semitic.

WW: Oh yeah, I know.

MF: I’m like, when is it going to end.

WW: It’s out of control. And the whole dual loyalty thing, you can’t say that even though you just mentioned what Ghislaine told you, right? Sheldon Adelson, he’s on video saying, all I care about is being a good citizen of Israel and he’s the top political donor in the United States. So the fact you’re not allowed to talk about is I think very troubling, right so…”

Whatever one makes of Farmer’s claims, there can be no doubt that Dershowitz has concocted a grotesque smear, depicting her as something she is not to a wide readership who will never hear the interview. Perhaps, using his own standards, we should begin to question his own reliability as a witness, using his actual – not fabricated or misleadingly presented – words.

It is not as though Dershowitz doesn’t have an impressive track record when it comes to smears and character assassination; in particular, blaming victims is something he has shown himself very willing to do.

Just a few examples will suffice here, but those looking for more documentation on Dershowitz’s reliability should consult, for starters, David Samel; Norman Finkelstein and Tim Wilkinson.

Dershowitz falsely claimed that Norman Finkelstein suspected his mother of being a ‘kapo’ by distorting a moving account of her experiences Finkelstein had recalled. He falsely and without evidence claimed that Walt and Mearsheimer drew from “neo-Nazi” websites for their work on the Israel Lobby. He called Richard Goldstone a “moser” and accused Robert Fisk of anti-Semitism when he attempted to look for the possible motivational causes of the hijackers of 911, telling listeners that Fisk was anti-American and that “anti-Americanism is the same as anti-Semitism”.

Readers can look up Finkelstein’s thorough refutation of Dershowitz’s book The Case for Israel in Beyond Chutzpah, for examples of his deeply biased, deeply unreliable approach and well-documented attempts to justify numerous war crimes and his defence of torture.

As Finkelstein points out, Dershowitz asserts in Chutzpah,

“Anti-Semitism is the problem of bigots…Nothing we do can profoundly affect the twisted mind of the anti-Semite”. As Finkelstein puts it, “In sum, Jews can never be culpable for the antipathy others bear towards them: it’s always of their making, not ours.” (p81 Beyond Chutzpah)

Such a point is worth remembering when examining Dershowitz’s book The Case Against Israel’s Enemies. In this later book, he argues that the dispossession of the Palestinians was deserved because of their support for Hitler during World War II (in this he differs from Joan Peters whom he heavily relied on in writing his earlier The Case for Israel which largely adopted her debunked conclusions). He states that “The truth is that the Palestinian leadership, supported by the Palestinian masses, played a significant role in Hitler’s Holocaust.” (p. 196) There is, of course, not the slightest evidence of this ‘significant role’, but Dershowitz thinks it acceptable to smear an entire people and use such statements to justify ongoing human rights abuses against that same people to this day.

It’s a familiar story. Ignoring the historical context, the Occupation, “they” deserve what they get because, well, they are bigoted towards Zionists for no reason whatsoever. And as a result, we can safely ignore their testimonial authority with regard to what Dershowitz calls the “so-called Palestinian Nakba” (p.206).

Maria Farmer is only the latest victim of Dershowitz’s smears. Before you throw people under the bus, it’s best to dehumanise them, ignoring the harms done to them in order to justify your character assassination (or, when it comes to Israel, the ‘targeted’ assassinations Dershowitz supports).

Dershowitz’s latest article is of a piece with his advocacy for Israel’s crimes over the years. Blaming the victim, while making oneself invulnerable to criticism by demeaning those who dare to criticise, is a hallmark of Dershowitz’s career.

I can't say that my early disgust over Dershowitz which centered on his support for torture as much as his practice of getting millionaire wife murderers off as I was seeing through his and the general pose of lawyers who made a reputation as a "civil liberties" lawyer - a lot of that has to do with thinking through the ACLU and the Nazis at Skokie -   has much to do with my far more recent disgust with the legal profession in general.   That came to a head with watching lawyer after lawyer covering his ass during the hearings leading up to Trump's first impeachment.  But he is a quintessential example of what's wrong with everything from the teaching of law at elite institutions, its embedded practices of and elevation of lying as what that profession holds as an ethical obligation, the successful practice of which is often tied to success in the profession.   He is, in fact, one of the foremost examples of everything that is evil about that profession.   And, look,  I haven't mentioned his deputed association with Judaism once.   I would, of course, add his many clients who are millionaire murderers he's gotten off by duping juries and wearing down or exploiting judges' all too lawyerly weaknesses (Ito, I'm thinking about you).   In this case,  anyone in the world would be entirely justified to believe he's lying, as the article makes clear.   He's smeared all kinds of People whose reputations are real, not based on lawyerly lying and being promoted by the gutter media in America Babylon,  Here from an article at Mondoweiss about his smearing the victims of his client and friends  Epsteine and Maxwell:  

For many years, Dershowitz has unleashed a torrent of vitriolic accusations of anti-Semitism against those who dared stray from the exceptionally narrow boundaries of Dersh-approved “legitimate” criticism of Israel. Some of these targets are almost universally admired as human rights icons, such as Archbishop Desmond Tutu, whom Dersh describes as “one of the most evil men in the world”; Daniel Berrigan, who was “an evil, evil man”; and Jimmy Carter, for whom there is a “special place in Hell” (where people who build houses for the poor into their 90’s are themselves housed). And of course, that’s just a tiny sample of Dershowitz’s targets. Apparently, Dershowitz’s theory is that these men, and Richard Goldstone, Jeremy Corbyn, Roger Waters, etc., who have led very public lives for many decades, are secretly consumed with hatred for the Jewish people but in a transparent attempt to camouflage their bigotry, they express their anti-Semitism only with criticism of Israel.

As you can see from the dates on these articles,  he's been at it for years now.   And now that he is appearing in more and more of the sloppily suppressed Epstein material, he's doubling down on it.   I would expect that Harvard Law and Yale Law are still proud of their association with him.   I wouldn't expect that he, like Roy Cohn was, will finally, far, far too late, suffer professional consequences for his life of lying and,  I fully believe he fears being exposed soon, far more.   He lied when he claimed the Epstein didn't pay him for his legal services,  that's already come out. 

Wednesday, December 24, 2025

Magnificat - Cecilia McDowall

 


The Evans Choir
Catherine Sailer, Conductor
St. John's Cathedral,  Denver, Colorado 

I'd like to give credit to the hard working and very fine piano player but I can't find his name. 

Tawnie Olsen - Magnificat

 


Navidad Nuestra, December 2018
Under the direction of Dr. Anne J. Matlack
Harmonium Choral Society
Morristown United Methodist Church, Morristown, New Jersey
Solo: David Thomson, Ken Short
Featuring: Canens Vocem - Columbia High School; Jamie Bunce, Director

Denise Levertov - Two Dead Serious Poems For The Season

On The Mystery Of The Incarnation

It's when we face for a moment
the worst our kind can do, and shudder to know
the taint in our own selves, that awe
cracks the mind's shell and enters the heart:
not to a flower, not to a dolphin,
to no innocent form
but to this creature vainly sure
it and no other is god-like, God
(out of compassion for our ugly
failure to evolve) entrusts,
as guest, as brother,
the Word.


Advent 1966

Because in Vietnam the vision of a Burning Babe
is multiplied, multiplied,
                         the flesh on fire
not Christ’s, as Soulthwell saw it, prefiguring
the Passion upon the Eve of Christmas,

but wholly human and repeated, repeated,
infant after infant, their names forgotten,
Their sex unknown in the ashes,
set alight, flaming but not vanishing,
not vanishing, as his vision but lingering.

cinders upon the earth or living on
moaning and stinking in hospitals three abed;

because of this my strong sight,
my clear caressive sight, my poets sight I was given
that it might stir me to song,
Is blurred.
           There is a cataract filming over
my inner eyes.  Or else a monstrous insect
has entered my head, and looks out
from my sockets with multiple vision ,

seeing not the unique Holy Infant
burning sublimely, an imagination of redemption,
furnace in which souls are wrought into new life,
but, as off a beltline, more, senseless figures aflame.

And this insect (who is not there-
it is my own eyes do my seeing, the insect
is not there, what I see is there)
will not permit me to look elsewhere,

or if I look, to see except dulled and unfocused
the delicate, firm whole flesh of the still unburned.

Christmas is too important to just let it be just merry. 


Tuesday, December 23, 2025

O Emmanuel - Bernadette Farrell

 


St. Martin's Voices

Commissioned by the Church of England for Advent 2025

O Emmanuel, our king and our lawgiver, the hope of the nations and their Saviour, come and save us O Lord our God.  

__________________

Commentary on the above in the form of a rant

I've written here before about how, as an egalitarian democrat I always felt a little queasy about praying "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven," because "no kings."   That was until I realized what was wrong with human monarchs was that they were all too human.  If nothing the revelations about how good queen Elizabeth II had an absurd blind spot for her criminally horrible favorite child,  Andrew, and his crimes and corruption as well as his rotten character from the time he was a little brat - not to mention the likes of that predecessor of the clients of Jeffrey Epstein,  Lord Mountbatten* and so many others she certainly knew about.  

The Kingdom of God won't be one of inequality.  That is it will not be one of greed, cruelty, evil and corruption.  All systems that tolerate, never mind being based in inequality as ours is, will ever be anything but those.  American history even before the Roberts Court's legalistic corruption  shows perfectly well those can be as characteristic of a deputed and even real republic as it can be of a hereditary monarchy.   The problem with the absurd and corrupted from the start scheme of John Adams for a balance of powers was that it depended on the fallibility of men, in the case of the early Republic many of them rotten from the start and bent on corrupting even that scheme to their own gain.**

The Hebrew Scripture from the time of Moses and, later, Jesus aspired to more than that for humanity and the world, they aspire to equality beyond the rule of the corrupt, they aspire to nothing short of our salvation.   It was in large part the consequences of human governance under man made laws that this antiphon prays we will be saved.   In the United States, right now, it is to the consequences of an American election, one governed by the lies of the mass media and a party catering to the worst things about us, greed, racism, misogyny, a desire to be freed of social restraints against being the worst we figure we can get away with, the love of cruelty encouraged by American macho culture and Hollywood - we are living with the media campaign of popularizing cruelty that started in the 1970s with the rise of such things as shock jock radio and cruel, often racist "comedy."   I've mentioned here before that a carpenter I knew then told me he thought that the promotion of cruelty in things like Garbage Pail Kids was a promotion of just that, he mentioned Nazism in his discussion and he predicted that things in the United States would get disastrously worse as a consequence of that trend in pop culture.   Well, that pop cultural trend continued and things have gotten worse.    Secularism will never aspire to more than what leads there.   But so much of American "christianity," "christian-nationalism" the kind of "americanism" espoused by conservative Protestants and Catholics like Timothy Cardinal Dolan and Robert Barron is as thoroughly if not even more secular than much of non-religion these days. 

American "christianity" was also taken down a similar path with the likes of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson and the media campaign to turn the meaning of "Christian" into an anti-Christian deformity that can be spouted by the neo-Nazi shock jocks of now and the white supremacist, Republican-fascists in Congress in the presidency and on the Supreme Court.   I'll have a lot more to say about that in the coming year.   I think either those who try to follow Jesus will have to really fight against the Mammonist parody of Christianity or Christianity will be discredited for the rest of the lives of everyone alive right now.   The law as exposited by Jesus is what this prayer asks for, its real implementation - which here, on Earth will depend on all too fallible human beings and which won't just naturally come about under a libertarian regime of "liberal democracy."   It is the law to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, house the homeless, treat the ill, humane treatment for the prisoner.   It will include the humane provisions of the Mosaic Law and the prophesy of the Prophets.   It won't be the pipedream of "enlightenment" (I'll have more to say about that after Christmas, too) that has been what has gotten us here, too, the framers of the American Constitution were far better proponents of the ideas of the heroes of the "enlightenment" than they're credited with - that is what those false gods really advocated, not what a lefty prof or their all too close allies in "classical political economics" at the best universities trim those into being. 

So, as can be seen in this last of the O Antiphons of Advent, Christmas is inescapably political and economic, to ignore that is to ignore why the birth of Jesus is something worthy of celebrating.   We ask nothing less of him than our salvation from our economic and political bungling and corruption.  

* It being so near to Christmas and he being safely dead,  I'll forego more about him for now.  

** Everything that has happened for the worse which the laws and Constitutional system invented by John Adams has permitted the most horrible of crimes from the start and even official, legal emancipation of slaves, what should have been the revolutionary and egalitarian consequences of the Civil War amendments and the hard struggled for progress won by civil rights and Womens' rights movements, the labor movement, has proven to be vulnerable to the very Constitutional system set up by the slave-holder-corrupt-financier founders.   John Adams may have been the least corrupt of them but he was one of them.  I wish his cousin Samuel Adams hadn't so diligently burned his papers because I'd like to know a lot more about his anti-federalism than can be known.  I have found reading the best of the anti-federalists entirely relevant to our situation and showing how we can't depend on any of it, especially the Supreme Court to save us because those are fundamentally corrupt.  Especially under the legal theories concocted in elite law schools by the members of that most fundamentally lying of professions, lawyers.   If honest lawyers don't like that, it's not my fault.   They know full well that their colleagues not only are dominated by liars, lying on behalf of even the most corrupt of their clients is held to be a professional obligation.  Almost as sacred a professional practice as billing by the hour.   The secular law will always prove to be corrupt. 

Monday, December 22, 2025

Questions On Today's Readings

WHAT I HANNAH HADN'T?

(I Samuel)

What if Hannah hand't prayed for a son
and wouldn't have had one?

If Samuel, then,
would not have been,

he wouldn't have left his mother's knee
at three, obviously

and move to the temple for room and board
with ancient Eli and the Lord,

and Eli would have slept all night, 
undisturbed by the threefold sound and sight

of persistent young Sam
and his "He I am."

If Hannah hadn't prayed for a son,
would she have had one?

How much does God depend
on the prayers we send? 

Sr.  Irene Zimmerman SSF

The High Overhead Low Market Whorey Beiss

has effectively killed CBS News.   What they do now is See BS "news."   Her position in the alleged profession of journalism has been one of sheer self interest and hypocrisy.   Not that I had much of any use for CBS for about the last 20 years,  I'm not sorry to see it go though I'm sure the habitual treatment of it as a credible source of information will continue for a while into the future.   I'm sure Whorey will go on to the next thing, probably backed with billionaire money instead of any credible work in journalism.   I hope her next "town hall" can do no better than shifty vinyl siding companies and whatever is the equivalent of Chia Pet is the rest of the year.   She's trash.   I'm sure the NYT ownership is proud of its protogee.  

Sunday, December 21, 2025

O King Of The Nations - David Ogden

 


St Martin's Voices 

Commissioned by the Church of England for Advent 2025

O King of the nations and their desire, the cornerstone making both one:  come and save the human race which you fashioned from clay.  

Concentrating on "the cornerstone making both one"  here is Paul in Ephesian's 2

11 So remember that once you were Gentiles by physical descent, who were called “uncircumcised” by Jews who are physically circumcised. 12 At that time you were without Christ. You were aliens rather than citizens of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of God’s promise. In this world you had no hope and no God. 13 But now, thanks to Christ Jesus, you who once were so far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

14 Christ is our peace. He made both Jews and Gentiles into one group. With his body, he broke down the barrier of hatred that divided us. 15 He canceled the detailed rules of the Law so that he could create one new person out of the two groups, making peace. 16 He reconciled them both as one body to God by the cross, which ended the hostility to God.

17 When he came, he announced the good news of peace to you who were far away from God and to those who were near. 18 We both have access to the Father through Christ by the one Spirit. 19 So now you are no longer strangers and aliens. Rather, you are fellow citizens with God’s people, and you belong to God’s household. 20 As God’s household, you are built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone. 21 The whole building is joined together in him, and it grows up into a temple that is dedicated to the Lord. 22 Christ is building you into a place where God lives through the Spirit.

Only Paul wasn't only talking about Ephesians and Israel.  "Gentiles," the nations is everyone.   

Needless to say, those in the United States who are yelling "Christianity" the loudest don't welcome this message because the last thing they want is unity, they don't want two to be one, they don't want to be one with anyone, even at the cost of the unity of them as well as all in God.  

And about which, here is a rather strange Christmas story.   I won't comment on it. 

Carla bley - Jesus Maria


 

Jesus Maria · Johan Farjot · Johan Farjot & Friends · Ensemble Saxo Voce · Rosemary Standley · Carla Bley · Carla Bley

You can read more about this recording here.  

I had never heard anyone sing the words to this song before finding this recording,  it works very well as a delivery of the lyrics.   The first one I heard was an early trio performance by Jimmy Giufree with Paul Bley and Steve Swallow from 1961,  I don't know if she had set the words to it then,  the lead sheet with words linked to yesterday dates from five years later.   Here's an especially moving solo performance by Gary Burton. 




It's Not Christmas To Me

until I hear Callie Crossley and Mike Wilkens go over his annual collection of wacky Christmas songs. 

Mike’s Merry Mix 2025: A year of wacky and wonderful holiday music


Every year since 1989, Mike Wilkins has been digging through archives, compilations, vinyls, B-sides, cassettes, CDs and the world of digital music to put together his annual collection of underground holiday tunes.

Then Wilkins, engineer for PRX and GBH’s The World, puts together his “mixtape” — now a playlist. It features new takes on beloved classics, quirky original songs and some selections listeners would deem bizarre at best. But Wilkins said when it comes to holiday music, some artists take big swings to see what could be the next “All I Want For Christmas Is You” or, perhaps more likely, “Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer.”

“There are some people who are just like, ‘How wacky can we make it? Let’s veer from the norm a little bit.’ While others still take traditional routes. But I think — when you’re a creative, when you are a songwriter — you probably want to push the envelope a little,” Wilkins told Callie Crossley on GBH’s Under the Radar.

This year’s edition includes plenty of off-the-wall songs, like the promotional track “Charlie, The Christmas Chimpanzee” by Alice Martin, “Lucifer’s Christmas” by Glasgow artist Dale McPhail and “Zoomah, The Santa Claus From Mars” by Brookline’s own Barry Gordon. Gordon, a child star who already had a Christmas hit with his 6-year-old vocals on “Nuttin’ For Christmas,” went on to become an actor and the longest-serving president of the Screen Actors Guild.

For me it's not listening to the atrocities that he finds or rediscovers on the B-sides of his extensive collection, it's the enormous pleasure of listening to Callie Crossley and him going over it.  Most of them play about as much of them as I care to hear.  Though some of them are so bad that they're worth hearing the entirety of, especially the ones that don't seem to have been created tongue in cheek.  

O Morning Star - Esther Bersweden

 

St Martin's Voices

Commissioned by the Church of England for Advent 2025

O morning star splendour of light eternal and sun of righteousness, come and enlighten those who dwell in darkness and the shadow of death. 

Another translation of the Latin is:

O Radiant Dawn, splendor of eternal light, sun of justice: come and shine on those who dwell in darkness and in the shadow of death.

Which reminds me of this passage from the end of the Exultet from the Easter Vigil 

May this flame be found still burning by the Morning Star:

the one Morning Star who never sets,

Christ your Son, who, coming back from death's domain,

has shed his peaceful light on humanity,

and lives and reigns for ever and ever.

Which never fails to move me.  


Saturday, December 20, 2025

Carla Bley - Jesus Maria



Carla Bley - piano, composer

Steve Swallow - bass, chimes

Tobias Weidinger - trumpet, flugelhorn (lead), glockenspiel

Axel Schlosser - trumpet, flugelhorn (soloist), chimes

Christine Chapman - horn

Adrian Mears - trombone

Ed Partyka - bass trombone, tuba

Lead sheet with words

A little boy, recently relocated in the United States,  whose name was Jesus Maria, came home from school crying.  Some children made fun of his name.  His mother tried to explain why the second part of his first name was Maria.  This is what she said. 

Lyrics:

Jesus was a baby in a far off land. 

Mary was his mother she took care of him till he grew to be a full grown man.

His destiny to be a savior who was soon to die.

Jesus don't you cry that's the reason why you have a girl's name

cause we named you after both of them,  

Mary and her baby never cease to be in our memory.  

Gerald Clayton performs Horace Silver · Peace, recorded at ConcertLab.

 


Saturday Night Radio Drama - Old Time Radio Christmas

 Old Time Radio Christmas 

I don't do much "golden age" stuff, generally preferring more current plays.   But a lot of people like the old stuff and there is nothing if not a surfeit of old Christmas radio shows.  So here's a link to a place that collected a large number in one place.   I hope you find something you like. 

Those With Nothing To Lose Saw It All

UNTO HIS OWN

(Luke 2:7-16)

Homeless that first night --
one more statistic
to add to the census,
one more mouth to feed.

Only the shepherds,
with nothing to lose
except a little sleep,
came to see. 

Sr. Irene Zimmerman, SSF

OF THE TWO CANONICAL BIRTH NARRATIVES I prefer Luke's though I have nothing against Matthew's,  as RMJ points out, they had different reasons for focusing on what they did.     I'm enough of a thought criminal I don't see any reason that some version of both couldn't have happened and been reported on in some version.   Which, by the way, has little to do with whether or not both of them are truly true.   None of the authors of the New Testament canon were writing history,  the truth they were writing surpasses that pedestrian standard of judgement of what's true.  

There's nothing in Matthew's that would lead anyone to suspect they happened on the same night or even day or even week.  The shepherds' story is the one tied to that specific night.  Here's Luke:

7 She gave birth to her firstborn child, a son, wrapped him snugly, and laid him in a manger, because there was no place for them in the guestroom.

8 Nearby shepherds were living in the fields, guarding their sheep at night. 9 The Lord’s angel stood before them, the Lord’s glory shone around them, and they were terrified.

10 The angel said, “Don’t be afraid! Look! I bring good news to you—wonderful, joyous news for all people. 11 Your savior is born today in David’s city. He is Christ the Lord. 12 This is a sign for you: you will find a newborn baby wrapped snugly and lying in a manger.” 13 Suddenly a great assembly of the heavenly forces was with the angel praising God. They said, 14 “Glory to God in heaven, and on earth peace among those whom he favors.”

15 When the angels returned to heaven, the shepherds said to each other, “Let’s go right now to Bethlehem and see what’s happened. Let’s confirm what the Lord has revealed to us.” 16 They went quickly and found Mary and Joseph, and the baby lying in the manger.

Common English Bible 

You can compare the account in Matthew 2, which has only the time component of what the Magi asked Herod.

2 They asked, “Where is the newborn king of the Jews? We’ve seen his star in the east, and we’ve come to honor him.”

After consulting his court theologians as to the place the Messiah was to be born, Herod figured he needed to know when they first saw the star to figure out when it happened. 

7 Then Herod secretly called for the magi and found out from them the time when the star had first appeared. 

If I had to guess,  I would think that Matthew implied that Herod, at least, believed the star came into sight when Jesus was born.  Considering the time it probably took the magi* to get to Herod on foot or by camel I don't think Matthew was implying they'd have run into the shepherds the night he was born despite what a 20th century super-deluxe manger scene includes.  The shepherds were working People, not tourists.   Their sheep needed tending.   

I'll point out that the church calendar would tend to emphasize that point of view because while the lectionary has the story of the shepherds at Christmas,  the Magi have to wait till January 6th to get focused on.  We didn't do "petite Noel" on the 6th of January but I heard rumors that some French Canadian families did and we knew our Greek Orthodox cousins' Greek grandparents had a party around then - we weren't ever invited.  

Here's what I get from my thinking about the poem, above. 

Despite the absence of the census for taxation given by Luke as the reason that Mary and Joseph were in Bethlehem in the surviving accounts of the reign of Tiberius,**  as in Sr. Irene Zimmerman's poem it sets up two radically opposed views of life.   Luke shows that the official, secular, legal view of the near destitute who could be taxed was as numbers to be used in a scheme of valuation as certainly as the Nazis turned those they meant to kill immediately due to their not being worth working to death as well as those they intended to work to death, extracting the most value from them that they could.   They did the same to those who their propaganda encouraged the German People to think of as "useless eaters" before they turned their mass murders into their pilot program of genocide.   And that is how the modern, secular, disenchanted world sees life.   That is how sociology and the rest of the social sciences tend to see human beings, as data in the form of numbers.   

Our worship of "the data" has reached new heights of unawareness of what that was alleged to show to start with,  it was never a view of reality, it was just a convenient way to make generalizations about reality.    For all of its general value, it has never shown anyone anything about something broader than can be fit into numbers and no living organism, let alone any person has ever been quantifiable.  Modernism, materialist scientism has made Tiberiuses of all of us.   And you can't see the whole thing when you do that. 

*  Three of them in the west, a dozen in the Orthodox tradition.  I wonder how that would figure into the casting of the Sunday School Christmas play.   And there aren't any camels mentioned in Matthew, though I'd guess they'd have wanted someone to carry their treasure chests.   That they were ye three kings seems to be European medieval or later embroidery.   I'd have guessed they'd have a donkey to do that.  They weren't carrying Fort Knox with them. 

** Anyone who thinks we have any such detailed view of any of the Roman emperors and their official actions is silly in the extreme.  We have nothing like that of even the major figures who show up in what were regarded as "histories."   That goes many times over for someone like Herod and his family.   Both the census and the slaughter of the Holy Innocents could be accurate reportage and there is no reason to expect that any corroborating evidence would have survived.  In the case of Herod commanding the slaughter of peasant babies,  there's no reason to believe the command would have even been written down at the time.   We tend to imagine that time and those people and places through our modern bureaucratic concepts.   That any modern scholar or academic or even popular debunker wouldn't realize that should discredit them. 


O Key of David - Tasmin Jones

Commissioned by the Church of England for Advent, 2025

St Martin's Voices

O Key of David and sceptre of the House of Israel;  you open and no one can shut;  you shut and no one can open:  Come and lead the prisoners from the prison house,  those who dwell in darkness and the shadow of death. 

The Scriptures referenced here are from Isaiah and Psalm 102 and 106.

Here is an interesting blog post from 2013 about some anonymous Anglo-Saxon poetic meditations on the O Antiphons and this one in particular.  I'll tempt any Tolkien fans out there to read it with this:

This poem takes its main inspiration from the final line of the antiphon: 'those who sit in darkness and the shadow of death'. Its interest is in light and darkness, and in the language of secrecy and hidden things - especially geryne, 'mystery'. (Not to make the Advent Lyrics all about Tolkien - since tomorrow is 'O Earendel' - but I particularly noted the line þæt degol wæs, dryhtnes geryne, 'that was a secret, the Lord's mystery', because degol is the origin of the name Déagol, who was secretly murdered by Sméagol.) The Key of David is to unlock not only the road to heaven, but the secrets concealed on earth. He will give us strength in mode, 'mind, spirit', and tydre gewitt tire bewinde, 'enfold our frail wits in splendour', as if limited human understanding is to be entirely wrapped and wound within limitless divine wisdom. Another Old English poem (Exodus), counselling on the interpretation of the scriptures, uses comparable language in its metaphor of the keys of the spirit:

I'm not all that big on Tolkien, myself.   I'd have gone on and on about an earlier passage in the post but I did that yesterday.  

There is an edition of the Exeter Book available online which contains the poems referred to online,  with an edition of the original and a translation into modern English (my one course in Anglo-Saxon poetry ended close to sixty years ago).  It's a bit of work to find what I assume the writer of the post refers to, they seem to be embedded into longer meditations on the Nativity.  Those start at page 26 in the pdf, the modern translation more or less on what I'd guess are the facing pages in the printed book .    


Friday, December 19, 2025

"As you must have guessed by now, it's quite more complicated than that, and it rests on a massive jump to conclusions with no direct support in any of the primary sources. And it’s not as if Old Norse texts never said anything about exactly when the yuletide sacrifices should commence, because they totally do, and it coincides with the astronomical winter solstice in exactly no source whatsoever. "

ONE OF RMJ's FINE ADVENT POSTS reminds me of this piece I did a while back.  I checked the link and it is still active. 

Wednesday, December 22, 2021

The Idea The Mean Old Christians Stole the Yule From Those Nice Nature Loving Vikings May Be Even More Crap Than I'd Thought Before

 I JUST LOST the long post I was writing updating my semi-annual poke at the accusation that those mean old Christians stole Yule from those poor, gentle, nature-loving folk, the pagans of Northern Europe.  You know, the ones who practiced human, especially, female slave sacrifice as documented in at least one eye-witness account and in excavations of chieftain burials.  I lost it in the electricity flickering during the awful ice storm we're having - thank you global warming - so I'll keep this short.

Looking for new material to add to the picture of that Osburg tapestry showing a pagan ceremonial sacrifice, including humans and animals, I found a fascinating paper by Eirik Storesund, a scholar of Old Norse and its literature that says that the modern myth that the Norse Yule had anything to do with the winter solstice is totally unsupported in the Saga and other literature and so the whole modern conception of it - a conception shared with those big fat lovers of Norse paganism, the Nazis - is a big fat lie. 

Take a moment to take a long, hard stare at the sun (proverbially of course). Is it not radiant? The tempting assumption that the solstices (and equinoxes) formed the basis of pre-Christian Scandinavian religious feasts, is prevalent not only in modern Heathenry and Ásatrú, but is also reproduced in countless popular media articles on the ancient origins (no pun intended) of Yule in Northern Europe. This view was also widely held by scholars of the field up until the turn of the last century, and though fewer think so today, it has somehow stuck. Even if many have changed their opinion in recent years, this has hardly seeped into the public consciousness.

It doesn't seem too idiotic at face value: The Nordic area can be a dang cold and harsh place. It's not exactly the fertile crescent. We'll take all the sunshine we can have. The old idea that Viking Age Scandinavians celebrated jól on the winter solstice as a sort of solar adoration, is among the most prevalent yuletide claims you'll see presented on the internet (or wherever) this year. It would seem intuitive that Viking Age Scandinavians greatly missed the sun at winter, and if jól was celebrated around the solstice, close to Christmas, it seems to explain how Christianity could simply just walk into Scandinavia and appropriate the heck out of our gluttonous solar feast.

As you must have guessed by now, it's quite more complicated than that, and it rests on a massive jump to conclusions with no direct support in any of the primary sources. And it’s not as if Old Norse texts never said anything about exactly when the yuletide sacrifices should commence, because they totally do, and it coincides with the astronomical winter solstice in exactly no source whatsoever. But that’s good news, because if you are like me, that’s a good excuse to celebrate the season not one or two, but three times properly.

None the less, you will find no shortage people who insist that the opposite is true, refusing to let the evidence speak for itself. To paraphrase the Swedish archaeologist Andreas Nordberg (cf. 2006: 102): Those who insist on referring to jól as the solstice, must be more interested in the solstice itself, than they are in sources for Norse religion
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Do go read it and look at the higher resolution picture of the sacrifice tapestry than I've had access to post in the past.   I might write more about this later if the electricity doesn't go again. Modern life has a lot to answer for, too.

Update 2025: I don't know if we'll lose electricity but it's incredibly foggy out, global warming. When it goes below freezing I'll probably break my neck or something falling on the ice. I've got to get crampons that fit my new boots. I'm way too short to be wearing 14 double E. It looks ridiculous. If my feet keep growing (one of those great pleasures of ageing I've found out about since trying my old boots on). I'm going to look like Little Tich.


I haven't seen the lastest bunch

 of photos released by House Democrats last night but I'm hoping they have kept some of the most shocking ones for use when Bondi doesn't release the full Epstein files.  Because she won't, I wouldn't be at all surprised if, under her, some of the worst of it has been destroyed.   If it soon becomes clear that is the case I will have even more to say about the epic malfeasance by nonfeasence of Merrick Garland who single-handedly chose his own integrity and so handed the country and world over to Trump II.   I would not say he did it "unwillingly" because while I'm sure he would not have wanted that to be the result of his non-action, he is certainly not so stupid as to not understand that would be the likely result.  He let the petty scruples of the legal racket and the stupidities of lawyers before him at the so-called Department of Justice govern his actions instead of his reasonably informed sense of morals.   Scruples are so often at odds with morality, especially in determining the outcome, which is what morality is all about or it is nothing.   The ends he got certainly determine the justice of his means. 

This could have been done as soon as the cowardly Merrick Garland knew he wasn't going to seriously investigate or bring to trial the many powerful men in those files and pictures.   If he had done that investigation,  we would have heard about it so we know he didn't and didn't intend to.  He could be certain that Trump II wouldn't do that.  

I recently said that a whole load of presidential cabinet posts should, by law, be closed to lawyers,  maybe including the Attorney General.   I was only half joking about that last one. At the very least, no Democratic president should ever be as sentimental in their appointment of an Attorney General as Joe Biden was in appointing Garland.   That is something he should have learned from the disastrous appointment of Janet Reno by Bill Clinton.  It probably extends to any lawyer who has gotten the kind of respectability in the legal racket that Garland has.   A Democratic Attorney General should be thoroughly aware of the catastrophic consequences of the failures of such as Reno and Garland, sacrificing the legitimate bases of government including the law, equality and democracy and, to continue with my theme below, TRUTH, to their professional rules and scruples.   To those who self-righteously assert the lawerly scrupulosity of Garland's famed and declared "institutionalism." of putting the welfare, what passes among lawyers as the integrity of the Department of Justice first,  ask yourself how's that workin' out for us all as Bondi covers up for the epic criminality of Trump and the worst presidential crime spree of our history continues without any real legal consequences.   The civil law is an ass.  

O Root of Jesse - Thomas Hewitt Jones


 

St Martin's Voices 

Commissioned by the Church of England for Advent 2025

O Root of Jesse, standing as a sign among the peoples; before you kings will shut their mouths, to you the nations will make their prayer: Come and deliver us, and delay no longer. 

Here is a piece from a decade ago, posted by The Episcopal Church, note that a somewhat different translation of the antiphon is used here. 

The third of The Great “O” Antiphons highlights Jesus’ lineage from Jesse, David’s father. The antiphons are seven brief prayers that are traditionally chanted or sung on successive evenings starting on December 17.

O Root of Jesse, you stand as an ensign to the peoples; before you kings will shut their mouths, and nations bow in worship: Come and deliver us, and tarry not.

“A shoot shall come out from the stock of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots. The spirit of the Lord shall rest on him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord.” ~ Isaiah 11:1-2

A Jesse Tree, a tradition dating back to the Middle Ages, represents the family tree of Jesus. Beginning on the first day of Advent, a Bible story is read relating to God’s people and Jesus’ family, starting with Creation and ending with the Birth of Christ. An ornament is placed on a Jesse Tree after each day’s story.

Maggy Keet, Manager of Donor Relations and Special Events in the Development Office, shares her remembrances and reflection on her family’s Jesse Tree tradition:

Much to my disappointment, the holidays of my childhood started not with an oversized, light-draped Douglas fir in the living room, but with a lean, bare branch beside our kitchen table. The day after Thanksgiving, while friends were out joyfully selecting O Tannenbaum, my Dad was traipsing into the late autumn woods in search of the barren branch that would become our Jesse Tree. This old Advent tradition, based on the messianic prophecy of Isaiah, “A shoot shall come forth from the stump of Jesse,” was a sign of hope in small beginnings.

Throughout December, our family had a simple after-dinner ritual. We would light the candles in the Advent wreath and my sister and I would color the minimalist line drawing ornaments of biblical scenes—John the Baptist decked out in camel hair, Elizabeth and Mary sharing pregnancy stories—while Mom or Dad read the scripture passage for the day. We’d recite a short, page-long litany followed by a few verses of “O come, O come Emmanuel” before cutting out our ornaments and hanging them on the tree.

If Advent is about readying ourselves to receive something, we need to be leave space for it to enter. The quiet pause each evening was good for a family with demanding jobs, homework, school projects, piano lessons, youth group, holiday parties, and pageants. There was plenty to keep us busy, but little to slow us down. We had every excuse to scurry off as soon as our plates were clean, but the ritual held us together and kept our evenings calm, even if only for thirty minutes.

Postponing the Christmas commotion wasn’t easy, but the days of waiting weren’t empty. The naked Jesse Tree filled Advent with meaning and purpose: each night a new ornament to color, a new passage to read, which often sparked questions (“What’s a virgin?”) and conversations (“How did two of every animal in the world fit on Noah’s Ark?”). The Bible stories, the songs, the litany all taught us—even as young children—that the birth of Christ was not a sentimental nursery story, but a powerful sign of God’s presence in the midst of suffering and of God’s fierce insistence on universal love, justice and mercy. Each Sunday, as we lit another candle, the room got a little brighter.

Though we didn’t get a tree until days before Christmas, my parents weren’t completely austere. We ended the evening ritual by opening our Advent calendar, not the ‘cardboard with stale chocolate’ variety, but a large quilted tree with twenty-five pockets thoughtfully filled with all sorts of confections—small, sweet breadcrumbs leading us to the big day. These treats, along with our Jesse Tree, taught us that good things come from the thrill of hope—and expectation.

It took a few years for my sister and me to understand why we couldn’t “just deck the halls already!” But once we got it, we looked forward to Advent more than Christmas. We continued that tradition long after we had outgrown it. Each year Dad would copy the ornaments and litany, each year’s photocopy of a photocopy more faded than the last. But we held on to that fading ritual even after we weren’t little girls any more because the Jesse Tree had taught us that there was more joy from the branch than there was from the tree.

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As a political blogger during the despotism of Trump,  I have to point out that this presents Jesus as someone who will shut up kings, of the kind that the United States now has, by Roberts Court made law, for the first time in its history.  But we have to understand how we got here during this most libertarian of all periods since the supposed end of legal slavery. 

I think if the nation had bowed down to worship, honoring the commandments given by Jesus, not least of all to honor the truth over lies, we would never have gotten to this place in our history.   That is the sign to the People that will either determine our future or we will never get out of this.  The importance of the truth in this is that we will either stop the lies and favor the truth over them or that sign is ignored and we will continue on the wrong way.  And it's clear that the civil law of the United States,  yes, even the idol of the First Amendment is inadequate to that.  The exact same thing can be said of Britain which is being led, right now, by the same kind of "civil rights lawyer" of the kind who did so much to destroy the truth in the United States, going so far as to invent a "right to lie" in the mass media.  

Christianity is THAT KIND of political religion not what the word generally is used for today.   And Christianity, if it is to mean anything in life is inescapably political in the highest sense of that word. 

Anything proclaimed to be Christianity that points us away from the signs of Jesus, among the foremost of those ample provision for the least among us,  the alien among us, those who are in prison, those who are sick and telling the truth  is not Christianity and is a call to ignore the sign that Jesus is.  We have that from the Gospel which such false Christians claim to hold as the Word of God.   Here in Luke 7:

18 When John's disciples told him about all these things, he called two of them 19 and sent them to the Lord to ask him, “Are you the one John said was going to come, or should we expect someone else?”

20 When they came to Jesus, they said, “John the Baptist sent us to ask if you are the one he said was going to come, or should we expect someone else?”

21 At that very time Jesus healed many people from their sicknesses, diseases, and evil spirits, and gave sight to many blind people. 22 He answered John's messengers, “Go back and tell John what you have seen and heard: the blind can see, the lame can walk, those who suffer from dreaded skin diseases are made clean, the deaf can hear, the dead are raised to life, and the Good News is preached to the poor. 23 How happy are those who have no doubts about me!”

24 After John's messengers had left, Jesus began to speak about him to the crowds: “When you went out to John in the desert, what did you expect to see? A blade of grass bending in the wind? 25 What did you go out to see? A man dressed up in fancy clothes? People who dress like that and live in luxury are found in palaces! 26 Tell me, what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes indeed, but you saw much more than a prophet. 27 For John is the one of whom the scripture says: ‘God said, I will send my messenger ahead of you to open the way for you.’ 28 I tell you,” Jesus added, “John is greater than anyone who has ever lived. But the one who is least in the Kingdom of God is greater than John.”

29 All the people heard him; they and especially the tax collectors were the ones who had obeyed God's righteous demands and had been baptized by John. 30 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the Law rejected God's purpose for themselves and refused to be baptized by John.

Notice what Jesus gave as the sign he was to the disciples of John.   Notice who listened and who didn't.  Who listens now and who doesn't.