Did you know the Rolling Stones were nothing more than racists and sexists who did nothing but rip off black music?
I never said that's all they were, they also ripped off of white musicians, too. As for them being racist and sexist, I'm kind of amazed that Stupes has never listened to the lyrics in all these many, many decades. Either that or he's impervious to even the most blatant expressions of racism and sexism. He's incapable of identifying with groups that he figures don't appertain to him.
Update: You just knew there was going to be an update, didn't you. Stupy cites a 1974 piece by an alleged feminist that says the Rolling Stones weren't sexist. Yeah, how non-nonsexist they were can be heard all through their lyrics and if that wasn't enough of a clue, there was the publicity from their Black and Blue album two years after that, including this image:
With the caption, "I'm Black and Blue from the Rolling Stones – and I love it!" which such groups as Women Against Violence Against Women and most of the women I knew at the time held was violently misogynistic and a promotion of extreme violence against women. I wonder if the author of the piece he cites ever revised on the basis of that.
I remember 1976 quite well, it was well into the backlash against second-wave feminism. Only a total idiot would have not included in that backlash Mick and his old Stone's using the promotion of extreme violence against women with bondage as sexy.
As for the racism, Brown Sugar would be enough to clinch that aspect of it.
Here's a clue, schmucko: Karen Durbin, of whom more feminist it doesn't get, destroyed the Rolling Stones-are-sexist argument in a 1974(!) piece in MS.
ReplyDeleteWhat -- you weren't reading MS back then?
..."most of the women I knew at the time..."
ReplyDeleteYou didn't know any women at the time.
I'd say that's the stupidest thing you've ever said but that's one category where every single thing you say makes the superlative degree impossible to to apply. One must merely try to evaluate degrees of stupidity short of the superlative which would require the condition "one of the . . . " before that declaration.
DeleteNow that you're totally confused, have you taken your meds today?
Anybody else here heard that artists should be judged on the ads for their albums rather than the actual albums?
ReplyDeleteMe neither.
When it's of a piece with the lyrics on the albums, through the entire career of Mick and his old Stones it's entirely legitimate to cite such a piece of advertising as just one piece of evidence of the complete misogyny of Mick and his old Stones. Then there is Mick's record of treating women like Kleenex, to use and throw them away.
DeleteWhy don't you give us a 50 word essay on why Steve Bannon isn't really a racist, next.
There was not a single line on that album that referenced bondage or S&M. The black and blue of the title referred to black music and the blues, you brainless clod.
DeleteOh, dear. Do I have to instruct you in the meaning of the "s" that I put on the word "albums"? It means I was talking about the lyrics on MORE THAN ONE OF HIS ALBUMS, YOU FUCKING IDIOT. And if that wasn't enough there was the phrase "through the entire career of Mick and his old Stones".
DeleteInteracting with you and Freki and some of the other rump commentators at Duncan's blog has been like a course in some of the stupider tactics of dishonest discourse. Pretending that someone said something other than what they said one of the more blatant and stupid of those that is your first resort. It's been a little window into the real workings of the pseudo-left, the play-left, the atheist-pseudo-play-left. And the reasons their first and only successes in American politics have been when they helped put, first George W. Bush in office and now Trump.
Right. As the world could plainly see, you weren’t specifically discussing the offensiveness of BLACK AND BLUE. Got it.
DeleteHere we have more of a demonstration of how juvenile a level of pretense is typical of someone like Simps.
DeleteHe doesn't really not understand what I said in the comment pointing out that I was talking about that one incident as only one example of the sexism of Mick Jagger and his old, old Stones. He knows exactly what I meant but he's just pretending that I was talking about the contents of one album even after I pointed out I had referenced the range of sexist content in Mick Jagger's work.
He's got that in common with Trump, as long as he pretends to switch around in what he claims was under discussion, he can pretend he hasn't been either answered or refuted.
And notice he's denying the role that Mick Jagger played in that advocacy of extreme violence against women - claiming that they love being tortured and bound and, no doubt, raped in the process, a real pimp mentality. Which is exactly what it is.
Rock and roll of that kind is and always has been a glorification and continuation of teenage asshole boys' view of sex and anger.
Do you know any women now?
ReplyDeleteI strongly doubt it.
How many feminist blogs were you ever invited to write for in the past twelve years? Why don't you run your belief by Echidne and see if she has anything to say on that question.
DeleteYou apparently know women who stopped their mental development in roughly the day before Betty Friedan published The Feminine Mystique, who inhabit the Hal David defined role of women. I know such women exist, most of those I know moved on from roughly the time when your personality froze in the early stage of puberty.
You mean that feminist blog you got bounced from for being an asshole?
ReplyDeleteEchidne never asked me to stop writing for her blog, I didn't consult her before I announced I wouldn't be writing for it anymore. I still have an entirely congenial relationship with Echidne and often comment on her blog.
DeleteI wrote the whole thing up, they're some of the first posts I ever put on this blog.
Says the lying asshole who told QL that he was the REAL feminist.
ReplyDeleteWe've been through that before, too. I linked to the post at Echidnes, one of the first I wrote when she asked me to write as a regular at her blog - I'd filled in when she was on vacation once or twice, at her request before then - which said that I would never call myself a feminist because as a man I wasn't qualified to make that claim.
DeleteApparently QL has caught the habit of bald-faced-lying from you and Freki and some others who didn't flee Duncan's blog in the great Exodus of the adults. If she said that she's either dotty or lying.