There is, actually, no evidence that the hand that wrote those lines is the same as scrawled or, rather, drew, the six signatures generally held to be the sum total of authenticated writing by the Stratford man. There are, actually, conventional Stratfordians who have admitted that there is nothing, at all, to tie their guy with the manuscript of Thomas More and who have expressed their own skepticism that he had anything to do with Thomas More. There isn't even any thing to verify that the person who wrote those lines into the manuscript, along with many others, is the person who wrote the lines. Some have noted such things as cross-outs and eyeskips in the manuscript that would indicate it could be someone copying from another source. The alleged verification in spellings as found in the First Folio or other printed copies are not conclusively reliable as even indirect evidence because it is unknowable if those spelling variations are copied from an original manuscript or introduced by any number of copyists or the typesetters as they set the type for the Folio edition.
I'm tempted to go on with reasons that the assertion that "hand D" was that of the Stratford man but I'll let you see for yourselves. Here is one of the pages being peddled by the Stratfordian establishment.
And here are the six famous signatures, which, by the way, are not all universally held to be authentically from the pen of William Shaksper(e). Some question if some of them might be written by a scribe or witness.
You see any similarity? I don't even see reliable similarities among the signatures, never mind to the Thomas More hand. I doubt there is any rational case to be made that they were written by the same hand that isn't based on the wishful thinking of the Stratfordian Shakespeare industry. I heard one of those shilling the Thomas More as his, when asked about the discrepancy between the fluid, fluent writing of the manuscript and the tortured, inexpert nature of the signatures ask now many of us made a consistent signature. Well, I've got terrible handwriting and I pretty much type out anything that I know anyone else has to read and mine isn't anywhere near as bad as that, and I'm going on two-decades older than the Stratford broker and hoarder of grain was when he died. And my eyesight is just awful. I have examples of my father's signature made decades after he was entirely blind and those are more recognizably his characteristic, Catholic school learned handwriting than the signatures are consistent with each other.
Update: Why am I writing this? a. Because I know it drives some of my trolls nuts with anger, b. as that great American author, Dr. Suess said,
"I doubt there is any rational case to be made that they were written by
ReplyDeletethe same hand that isn't based on the wishful thinking of the
Stratfordian Shakespeare industry."
It's true -- the only reason people believe Shakespeare wrote his own stuff is because there's money to be made. It's like all those scientists peddling the global warming myth -- they're only in it for the grant money.
The big difference between the faith you inherited in Wm. Shaksper and global warming is that there is massive, direct evidence of global warming and there is, literally, not a single piece of direct evidence that the Stratford hoarder and rapacious money lender had a literary career. Diane Price demontrated that out of 25 well known and not so well know writers of the Elizabethan and Jacobian era William Shaksper of Stratford is the only one without a single piece of direct evidence that he ever wrote anything. And it's not because his life is undocumented, there are about 70 records of his life, as I recall about 40 of those records deal with his professional life, which is unusually good documentation for a small town hick like him but not a single one of those have anything to do with him having a literary career.
DeleteYou see, dopey, unlike you, instead of just believing what I was told, I looked into the matter. And there are more people doing that all the time.
I love this because it show what a bunch of credulous faith-heads you guys are.
a small town hick like him
ReplyDeletePot, meet kettle.
Oh, I could never have written those plays, I don't know the law or life in the English court or French court or dozens of other things that the author of the plays obviously had to master. Things he couldn't have read about because they weren't written in books. It wouldn't have been possible for anyone who wasn't intimately familiar with those things to have written the plays.
DeleteWhat, do you think he learned all that stuff by watching the BBC? Maybe you imagine he listened to The Open University like Onslow on Keeping up Appearances. And speaking of slow, I caught what you and the tots said about this, none of which had anything to do with what I wrote. I'm always encouraged when you guys can't refute what I did say, having to substitute what I didn't say. Though if you weren't as ignorant as you are conceited it would be more fun.
"The big difference between the
ReplyDeletefaith you inherited in Wm. Shaksper and global warming is that there is
massive, direct evidence of global warming and there is, literally, not a
single piece of direct evidence that the Stratford hoarder and
rapacious money lender had a literary career."
Well, except for the plays published under his name, of course. But other than that....
Oh, you mean plays published under something sort of like his name, as he wrote it, but, as far as I can remember, never under one of the spellings he signed under, well, The Yorkshire Tragedy, The London Prodigal, Sir John Oldcastle, The Second Maiden's tragedy and a number of other plays which are definitely not by the author of the plays and poems under contention. There were a number of works written using Shake-Spear, which was obviously used as a pseudonym which was associated with Pallas Athena. It was a time of secret authorship, especially of plays because playwrights, even the most eminent of them, such as Ben Jonson got arrested, tortured, even killed over what they wrote for the stage. I've written about that before, I guess you didn't bother reading it before you misrepresented what I said.
DeleteYou would have to do what you won't do, read the background to understand that the attributions are not necessarily indicative of your guy, who, somehow, unique among known authors of his day, despite his having written over 900,000 words, he left not a single piece of evidence that he had a literary career. Go read Diane Price's book, it's the only scholarly book that deals comprehensively with what is known, according to the accepted rules of scholarship, instead of conjecture, supposition and, your favorite scholarly method, making stuff up.
I'm looking forward to the day when the Erins, notaboomers, etc. get the resident population at E-ton down even farther. As it has become a venue that will enable Republicans as it splits their opposition, it's become a millstone around the neck of the left, one of many and, definitely, not a big one but a millstone, none the less.
Duncan coming out as having Randian leanings was rather telling. I expect by the time he's your age he'll be voting Republican.