Tuesday, August 20, 2019

The Answer To The Question Is, Of Course, Only Those Who Are To Blame

I am still getting trolled about the piece I wrote the other day pointing out that the atheist-anti-Christian use of Jeffrey Epstein is absurd, considering his crimes against children are condemned by Christian scripture and tradition going back to the start of it.  I'm asked to "get back" to my most persistent and dishonest troll when "the Christianity police actually enforce those provisions". 

The idea that there are "Christianity police" who have any power or responsibility to enforce civil law, in the United States, is, of course, stupid.  But stupid is the dialect of online atheist invective.  Lying  is their mother tongue, bigotry is their accent.

The question, if you were to try to tease an actual question out of this "Friendly" atheist, blog-rat atheist attempt to blame Jeffrey Epstein on Christians or Christianity would somewhat rationally be phrased:

Who is to blame for Jeffrey Epstein?

That, of course, is not the actual motivation of the group-blaming of Sarabeth Caplin at the "Friendly" atheist or Steve Simels from his perch at Duncan Black's blog (he regularly tries to cross post his comments there, here) it is to blame people who have not only no association with Jeffrey Epstein or his crimes of raping and trafficking young girls, the very people that Caplin and the Simp want to take the fall for him are the very same people who are among the strongest opponents of the sex crimes that comprise the criminal career of Jeffrey Epstein and which the men and women included in his crimes committed.  This, of course, is something which, as those links to contemporaneous posts at Eschaton proves, is something that the secular-atheists are far more in favor of than practicing, at-least-trying Christians are.  I would like a list of Christian writers who have favored lowering the age of consent into the ages of the girls Epstein and his pimpess tricked, roped, seduced and intimidated and forced into being raped.   Rape is, of course, the word because no one of that age should be held to be able to give fully informed and mature consent to having sex with fully adult men.  

This is an example of one of the fully acceptable practices of group-blaming in which not only those to blame are held at fault but those who not only are totally innocent of any crime or wrong BUT WHO ACTIVELY OPPOSE THE CRIMES AND WRONGS IN QUESTION are held to be answerable to them. 

As much as I'd like to have just ignored this as I get on with my onion harvest today, I thought I shouldn't let this rest.   The life and crimes of Jeffrey Epstein which is disgusting to read about should have been the job of criminal prosecution while he was alive and now properly belongs to civil attorneys of those wronged by him who now have a right to sue his estate and those of his associates and fellow rapists they have a right to hold accountable.  Of course any of those who committed crimes facilitated by Epstein should still be the subject of possible criminal prosecutions. 

As much as I'd have liked to ignore the continued snark aimed at me, I was curious to see the identities of those identified as aiding the rise of Jeffrey Epstein to see which of them were practicing, observant Christians. 

But I wasn't THAT interested so I did something I seldom do, I looked at the online-atheist-blog-rat's favorite general authority,  Wikipedia, in what I have to conclude was a bio largely assembled by Epstein or his employees (practically a sure thing with so many a Wikipedia bio) and was rather surprised to see that the names of men who helped him along could be a fertile compost pile from which a bigot could, actually, mount a campaign of stereotypical group-blaming.   Here's a list of those from the article and what I was able to find about their religious profession or ethno-religious  affiliations.

Donald Barr, father of William Barr, Trump's so-called Attorney General, actually Trump's criminal accomplice -  A nominal convert to Catholicism but who was identified as originally Jewish

Alan C Greenberg - chief executive officer of Bear Stearns - identified as Jewish

Edgar Bronfman - president of Seagrams - identified as Jewish

James Cayne - former CEO of Bear Stearns - identified as Jewish

Ana Obregon - Spanish actress, socialite - no identified religious identity

Adnan Kashoggi - Saudi businessman with many shady associations - Muslim

Steven Hoffenberg - former chairman of Towers Financial -  none  listed

Douglas Leese - defense contractor - no identification listed

John Mitchell - former Attorney General-criminal under Nixon - remarkably, I couldn't find any mention of religion in the several online sources I looked at, if it makes the Christian haters feel any better, you can blame the elite Jesuit university, Fordham for having given him his educational credentials.  See the many articles slamming Catholic elite educational institutions in my archive.

Les Wexner - billionaire (I'm tempted to say criminal, for all great fortunes are based on a concealed crime, as dear old Balzac noted) Sleazy women's wear tycoon - Jewish

Robert Meister - given as an insurance executive in the Wikibio - didn't bother looking him up  

OK, the list of people associated with Jeffrey Epstein in his peak crime years is a long one and this is cutting into onion pulling hours.  You can go look at his (I assume self written or approved) Wiki bio and you can see that virtually everyone, apart from the Jewish Catholic convert, Donald Barr and, I assume, William Barr's role model in criminal Attorney General, John Mitchell and, perhaps, a Spanish actress were definitely not Christians though, if someone wanted to make the kind of hay that Caplin and the Simp are trying to make of the likely bogus story that Epstein tried to rehabilitate himself with a mail-order "ministery" credential, blaming him on Christians would not be the first such use of him that could be made.  The milieu he rose and flourished in was not a Christian one.  

Of course the point of this exercise is to show how dishonest such an attempt at blaming an entire group for the putrid criminality of Jeffrey Epstein who doesn't seem to have ever professed Christianity in anything I can find about him, is exactly that, dishonest.  Only the individuals associated with the rise and flourishing and the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein are guilty of that,  anyone who didn't do that or wasn't even aware of it has no guilt in it. 

Only, when they practice that kind of thing on Christians, it's perfectly acceptable in polite society and in college-credentialed discourse.   They do the same things the fascists do, they just have a different list of who it's OK to do it to.  And, really, do they want to encourage that horrible habit as a regular practice?   I don't.  It's certainly not in line with the teachings of Jesus. 

Update:  I didn't leave off there to avoid the possibility of finding practicing Christians who aided Epstein.  I purposely didn't include some I knew about such as the scumbag lawyer Alan Dershowitz only because he hadn't appeared in the Wiki article when I left off.  I hadn't eaten breakfast yet as I concluded the exercise and it was making me feel sick already.

3 comments:

  1. Caplin in that article (the one you quoted earlier) missed the point of Epatein's purported interest in ministry. He wanted a legal shield, a privilege against being forced into a plea deal by turning on his supporters, his literal partners in crime. He imagined, reportedly, that ministry would provide this and comfort his friends.

    It doesn't work that way. And that has nothing to do with Xianity. The premise of Caplin's argument is wrong from the start.

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    1. If I were less mildly interested and had more time to waste, I'd look up the guys in one of the coastal towns in my area who, to get by restricted zoning and other regulations, designated their restaurant, If I recall correctly, The Temple of Baccus, or some such things, and incorporated it is a place of worship. It was, of course, a joke, like, I suspect, any such alleged intention of Epstein, it's the kind of juvenile humor he seems to have shared with the typical Eschatonian and, perhaps, Duncan, himself.

      What Epstein might have hoped to gain from it, I can't figure out. Apparently he didn't follow the sex abuse scandal in the Catholic clergy. Lots of them, eventually, went to jail and the Church has paid out tens and scores of millions, already.

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  2. And of course the problem with the factual premise of this "discussion" is that even Caplin notes "it may or may not be true."

    How any group, or person, for that matter, can be responsible for something that probably never was, is a problem for the Thought Police.

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