So, it looks like it wasn't a kind of cultural difference that explains why she decided to make her accusation on that count. While Franken was right to apologize for the joke photo (more of the kind of joke that is hardly unknown among show folk) her complaints about the kiss (there are photos of the skit, showing her hardly repulsed during a kiss) evaporate with this and other footage of her other behavior, on stage which is pretty sleezy. Did she rehearse the grope?
Bringing these up is definitively different from bringing up the posed photos of her made as part of her modeling career. What she is documented as doing during the tour, just as what Al Franken is documented as doing during the period of her complaints is relevant. With these pictures and the footage of her aggressively sexual physical moves onstage with people like Robin Williams, I take back what I said. I think now it's entirely justified to see this as part of a wider political effort to protect Republican child molesters and Trump who bragged about grabbing women by their genitals and any political or political media associations she has are relevant to the discussion. Any of those which are documented impeach her credibility and identify her motives. Apparently Roger Stone knew about the impending accusations hours before they were made, knowing how he found out about them is also necessary. Where would he have learned about that?
" I think now it's entirely justified to see this as part of a wider political effort to protect Republican child molesters and Trump "
ReplyDeleteIf you hadn't figured that out literally the moment Tweeden's accusations were made public you're too stupid to breathe.
Here's a clue, moron -- this was Republican ratfucking quite obviously designed to a) discredit Franken and b) discredit the women who came out against Moore.
And it worked. Because credulous liberals like you were played like fiddles and fell for it. And don't even get me started on Michelle Goldberg.
A. Michelle Goldberg called for Al Franken to resign to please her employer at the whore house that the New York Times is, I never said anything remotely like that.
DeleteB. I never even critisized Al Franken except to say the photo was stupid and he shouldn't have done it, something he said, himself, so I guess you'd include him as a "credulous liberal".
C. Unlike you, I require evidence before I make up my mind about something. I was not uncritical of Tweeden, I said her characterization of the kiss was probably due to a misunderstanding on her part. That was before other pictures of her being raunchier than she accused Al Franken of being on USO tours, herself. As soon as those were published, I said they were relevant to whether or not she is credible. I said her modeling photos were not relevant.
D. When are you going to learn to read? It's a really helpful thing to ward off senility or to, at least, make it tragic when someone loses that ability.
E. Fuck off.
"And it worked. Because credulous liberals like you were played like fiddles and fell for it. And don't even get me started on Michelle Goldberg."
DeleteYup. "Roy who?" I don't even remember, I'm so busy worrying about what Al Franken did wrong when he was a comedian on a USO tour. Wait, I saw two articles calling for his resignation, and then lots of articles about why he shouldn't resign. And nobody's really talking about Al Franken anymore (not on NPR, not in the news) but everybody's still talking about Roy Moore.
I agree it was GOP ratfucking. I don't agree it had legs beyond about 24 hours. Funniest part: Frankens' frank apology and call for an investigation of his own actions pretty much took all the wind out of those sails. There's a real lesson there about how to respond to ratfucking.
Yes, Franken handled this about as well as it could be handled, he pointed out that the stage kiss, even in rehearsal, was not as he recalled it and he apologized for the photo which was not part of the act but which was somewhat naughty. He could handle it this way because he hadn't really done much that was bad and that was only mildly bad.
DeleteGoldberg and Stren and the few other "liberals" who called for Al Franken to resign are more characteristic of the professional journalists and those who aspire to be taken for them and that has more to do with their careers than it does anything real or important.
The very first thing I wrote on a blog addressed the absurdity of the Code of Liberal Ethics
http://olvlzl.blogspot.com/2006/05/to-start-with-there-are-two-things.html
A few weeks later I wrote another one about the stupidity of pretending politicians - liberal politicians - had to be saints.
http://olvlzl.blogspot.com/2006/06/pretending-politicians-have-same-job.html
I've never been the Michel Goldberg kind of liberal, I think the world would have been a lot better off if Jim Wright hadn't lost the speakership over the common cause the asshole Fred Wertheimer made with Newt Gingrich to prove Fred's and Common Causes ethical purity as he sold out liberal reality for that mere perception.
Simps is just looking for something to jump me over, he should give that up, he doesn't have the moves.