X or Bust Is An Idiot's Slogan Promoted By Irresponsible Idiots Posing As Leftists

Out of curiosity, I went to see how the Hillary hatin' at Salon is going.  It's still up on its most popular posts sidebar with several outright H.H. posts and one with more than a thousand whines in which a comedian named Patton Oswald was interviewed.  Here's what the Salon piece cribs from another frequent Hillary hater site, HuffPo

I know that you’ve been a big supporter of Bernie, and I have no interest in getting you embroiled in any Facebook-trending whatever, but I wonder what you think about the Republican side, Ted Cruz vs. Donald Trump — if you had to choose, what world would you less like to live in?

Oh, fuck that. I mean again, I’m not one of these “Bernie or bust” people. I will vote for whoever the Democrats nominate against either of those two psychopaths. I think they’re both equally dangerous and backward-facing for this country.

Yeah that’s been one of the — just among even my friends, people have been talking like, “You know, if it’s Hillary then I would rather have Trump become president, and I’m just like “What are you…”

Well, then you’re a fucking child.

If you want, you can look for the stories, I'm not linking to either of those irresponsible webzines.

You can imagine the reception that got from the Bernie or Busters at Salon, one of the worst of the gathering places for such folk.   I skimmed a couple of pages of the 1009 no doubt now + comments and they were heavy on the self-righteousness, the - no doubt mostly "secular" - sanctimony, the angry, outraged, furious and repititous assertions that they will never vote of Hillary Clinton because YOU CAN'T MAKE ME!!!

There are assertions and accusations, including the new line in the “Hillary murdered Vince Foster” line of invective, that she “suppressed millions of votes”. Yes, litereally, in one week the dark and hazy assertion that that “the powers that be” suppressed what we are apparently to believe were 120,000 solid Bernie Sanders votes has morphed into “millions of votes”. Jeff Weaver should hope I never meet him because I don't think I could keep from socking him in his irresponsible mush for encouraging that kind of non-thinking.

Here is what I said at Salon. 

November, when Donald Trump or Ted Cruz is putting together their cabinet, I hope the publisher and editors at Salon will feel proud and pure in their superior leftiness and pat themselves on the back for enabling it to happen through encouraging the delusion of the Bernie or Bust type idiots who seem to post most of the comments here.  The problem with that stand is the bust, which we've experienced going back to 1968, that year, again in 1980,  most infamously in 2000 and, arguably, 2004. And now you guys are all set to do it again and having an even more disastrous bust than those the play-left has had a hand in over and over again. 

The Bernie or Busters are either children who were too young to remember the Bush II regime or they are perpetual children who will never grow up even when faced with the worst disasters.

And to one who says that no matter who the Republicans put up as the other of the two candidates who will, IN FACT, be President of the United States next year that she will not "hold her nose" and vote for Hillary Clinton,

If you think your precious nose is more important than keeping Trump or Cruz from being president, you are a total and narcissistic idiot. Salon seems to be a gathering place for them


And I'll add that if anyone runs for the nomination of the Democratic Party on a campaign that encourages this "... or bust" kind of thinking ever again, they have proved that they have absolutely no right to ask for the votes of Democrats because they have disrespected the will of the majority of members of the party by threatening to spoil the election in favor of the Republican candidate.

Bernie Sanders was too good a politician to have fallen into the kind of campaign he's run but, given the history of such runs, it's clear, even as he disclaims the "Bernie or Bust" nonsense that such campaigns will be taken over by those who think in such unrealistic, childish, stupid and irresponsible fantasies whenever such symbolic, stunt candidacies are mounted.   I think his most important contribution to the future would be him admitting that things got a lot farther out of hand than he anticipated.   The lesson for Hillary Clinton will be that, if she wins, she will have her best chance at success if she, unlike Barack Obama, realizes she can govern considerably farther to the left than he did.   AND that, unlike the Obama team, if she begins, immediately,  to fight to get out the vote for the 2018 mid-terms to prevent the disaster that disappointment brings.  If Obama had done what his supporters believed he would do in 2008, Bernie Sanders would probably never have run.

The way for the left to win again passes through a Hillary Clinton administration, and the path to a successful Hillary Clinton administration lies farther to the left than Barack Obama's has taken.

I will, likely, respect Bernie Sanders again, with the understanding that is conditional on the Republicans losing in November.  I will not ever go back to taking the Salons, the Alternets, and the other organs of  ".... or bust" thinking as anything but a huge part of the problem as to why this kind of thing is now a serial disaster mounted on the left.  That list above is only a partial one, such thinking has been an ongoing reason the left loses.