What defining moral stand of atheism has Trump violated? Excerpts From A Blog Brawl

In an exchange with an atheist at another website, I got these claims made to me.

Actually I think the problem is that Liberals, whether religious or non-religious believe that emotions, which is what moral opinions are, should be left out of political decisions. Decisions should be based upon facts, logic, rational thinking! Unfortunately that leaves their campaigns (Clinton was a good example) lacking any fire or spirit. People are moved by emotions not rationality or logic!

So much to unpack in that assertion.  I should have led with my afterthought in the discussion so I will lead with that:

"Decisions should be based upon facts, logic, rational thinking!"

Uh, like it or not, that's a statement of moral opinion. By your own assertion, your moral position is self-contradicting.

And my first and longer response.

"emotions, which is what moral opinions are"

Oh, where do you get that idea? Do you mean that morality is based on what you want or want to be true? That's rather curious considering the assertions of moral obligations that are definitely contrary to what is wanted, often by those who assert those moral obligations as much as those who they are asserting them to. Do unto others that which you would have done unto you is certainly not how most people generally want to have things, they want to be able to do to others what they would not want to be done to them. As to other moral obligations such as to do justice to people you would not care about or like, or even to your enemies would certainly be the opposite of what their emotions would lead them to.

What makes you think that morals aren't exercised on the basis of fact, logic and rational thinking? That seems to me to be a totally absurd idea, an illegitimate classification and absurdly reductionist, something I have often seen done by atheists out of nothing so much as their emotional need to reduce and classify things so as to make them favor what they want.

Another, one of the biggest atheist trolls at Religion Dispatches got into it, most of what he said was stupid but he did give me something to respond to as well.

Christians try to force their morality on the rest of us. They want Christianity to be accepted by the nation as the ultimate morality. We see Christians and what they do, so we don't buy it.

The answer:

Let's see what that assertion could be applied to:

Democrats try to force their morality on Republicans,

Egalitarians try to force their morality on the promoters of privilege.

The supporters of women's' suffrage try to force their morality on anti-suffragists.

Civil Rights agitators try to force their morality on segregationists.

Those who assert the rights of Native Americans try to force their morality on people who want to kill them and steal their land.....

Atheists try to force their morality on Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc.

In short, you've got nuthin'.

This question seems to have stumped him for how:

What defining moral stand of atheism has Trump violated?