Wednesday, November 4, 2015

Hate Mail - I'm Not Making This Stuff Up

Yeah, I do know that Darwin approved of Victor Carus's translations of his work, BECAUSE HE TOLD HIM SO IN LETTERS THAT STILL EXIST.

Here, with Charles Darwin's son, Francis Darwin's introduction.

[The next letter is of interest, as giving the beginning of the connection which arose between my father and Professor Victor Carus.  The translation referred to is the third German edition made from the fourth English one.  From this time forward Professor Carus continued to translate my father's books into German.   The conscientious care with which this work was done was of material services, and I well remember the admiration (mingled with a tinge of vexation at his own short-comings) with which my father used to receive the lists of oversights, &c., which Professor Carus discovered in the course of translation.  The connection was not a mere business one, but was cemented by warm feelings of regard on both sides.]

C. Darwin to Victor Carus.
Down, November 10, 1866.

My Dear Sir,  - I thank you for your extremely kind letter.   I cannot express too strongly my satisfaction that you have undertaken the revision of the new edition, and I feel the honour which you have conferred on me.   I fear that you will find the labour considerable,  not only on account of the additions, but I suspect that Bronn's translation is very defective, at least I have heard complaints on this head from quite a large number of persons.  It would be a great gratification to me to know that the translation was a really good one, such as I have no doubt you will produce.   According to our English practice, you will be fully justified in entirely omitting Bronn's Appendix,  and I shall be very glad of its omission.   A new edition may be looked at as a new work….. 

…  Pray believe that I feel sincerely grateful for the great service and honour which you do me by the present translation.

I remain, my dear Sir, yours very sincerely,  Charles Darwin. 

P.S.  -  I should be very much pleased to possess your photograph,  and I send mine in case you should like to have a copy.   

If you want to read the whole thing, here's the link.

Of course, you guys, some of you born more than a century after Charles Darwin died, figure you know his thinking better than his own children did, people who not only saw the guy but were brought up by him.  And not only him but his closest colleagues.   I do find the detail about requesting a picture and sending one to be downright creepy.  Sounds like he was thinking a bit like a matinee idol by that point.

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Needless to say, I find reading the writings of Hitler, Mein Kampf and the "Second Book" and speeches, and table talk among the most unpleasant and revolting things I've ever done for this blog.   The man oozes evil and pathological thinking.  But, then, I made my way through Haeckel, The Descent of Man, Galton, Leonard Darwin, Karl Pearson, Charles Davenport, Paul Popenoe, Baur-Fischer-Lenz and various lesser name eugenicists.   I always feel like washing my eyes out with soap afterward.

I an coming, ever more, to be convinced that Hitler read Haeckel, there are too many echos of things Haeckel wrote in what Hitler said, though I have certainly not made a systematic search of the writings and sayings of those two moral atrocities.   I wonder if anyone has gone through the two things to find similarites that are rather unmistakable, such as the ones that both the opponents of Hitler and such Nazis as Heinz Brucher noted.   I'm not looking forward to becoming even more familiar with the two but it looks to me like there could be some unmistakable evidence that Hitler got a lot of his thinking either first hand or from someone paraphrasing Haeckel.  I wouldn't be surprised if he'd looked at The Descent of Man but still think it's more likely he'd directly copy a German than a Brit.

32 comments:

  1. Hey Sparky -- off topic, but I just spent a fabulous weekend at the museum at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland.

    http://powerpop.blogspot.com/2015/11/cleveland-rocks-special-words-fail-me.html

    And it occurred to me that two days in that place would be your idea of Hell.

    If there is a God, I genuinely hope that's where you wind up for eternity.
    :-)

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  2. The way you lie you'll be lucky to end up in Branson MO.

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  3. Actually, given my contributions to the sum total of human happiness throughout my lifetime, I'm sure I'll wind up in heaven, assuming there is one.

    You, on the other hand, will join the rest of your Puritan spiritual brothers in enduring eternal sulfurous flames.

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    1. Someone should drop a clue to you about arguing, Sims. You don't refute someone's observation that you're a liar by immediately producing the evidence makes the point for him. I know it works at E-ton where everyone just has to agree with each other no matter if it's true of false but there's a reason Duncan's blog is on the fritz.

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  4. I am coming, ever more, to be convinced that Hitler read Grimm's Fairy Tales, there are too many echoes of things the Grimms wrote in what Hitler said, though I have certainly not made a systematic search of the writings and sayings of those two moral atrocities. Just look at it: A eugenic stepmother puts out Hansel and Gretel out to die. An evil witch tries to push them into an oven. An oven! That's the smoking pan right there. The Brothers Grimm laid it all out and Hitler put it into practice. You can draw a straight line between these morally abhorrent fairy tales and Mein Kampf. It looks to me like there could be some unmistakable evidence that Hitler got a lot of his thinking either first hand or from someone paraphrasing or someone paraphrasing the paraphrasing or someone paraphrasing the paraphrasing of the paraphrasing of the Grimms.

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    1. 1. I don't recall anything about crematoriums in Mein Kampf. Perhaps you'd like to quote where you find such a parallel. 2. Can you present any confirmatory points of view, to back it up? 3. You really think that such a stupid comment does something to refute anything I've said don't you, you're that intellectually vacuous that you figure that's how it's done among adults? No wonder Duncan got discouraged. He should have done what so many have done so they could maintain their adulthood, abandon Eschaton to the eternal grade schoolers.

      So, what other jokes do you like to make about the Holocaust? I understand it's all the rage among the kewl kids to do things like that. It makes them feel all transgressive.

      Remind me again, what branch of science does such a mind as yours achieve distinction in? Maybe one of the social sciences. Anthropology? That was one of the venues for distinction among the Nazis.

      You know you've yet to refute one thing I've said with anything like evidence? Your boy Richards undercut what you said, even as he was trying to prop up Haeckel. Which can happen if, you know, you don't really bother to read what you pretend to know.

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    2. The mockery went right over your head, didn't it? I'm not making a joke about the Holocaust. I'm making a joke of your uneducated obsession trying to divert attention from the role Christianity played in anti-semitism. It's funny to watch someone who knows nothing about history or biology try to make them say whatever you want them to say. That was the basis of my comment. Your idiotic "method" of starting with a conclusion and finding it everywhere you look works with any text whatsoever. Fairy tales, comic books, the Bible, anything. Keep your day job.
      And no, I already told you I am not a social scientist.

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    3. No, kid, it didn't rise to my notice.

      You haven't refuted anything I said, you've only pitched insults which an intelligent person would probably have noticed don't really work.

      Well, you're a liar so you telling me something isn't quite enough. Let me guess, evo-psy? I know they like to think they're doing "real biology" in that field. Or maybe neuro-sci, phrenology done with pretty pictures instead of bumps?

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    4. Tell you what. Why don't you take that mass of diarrhea you have produced and bring it to a publisher. I'm sure all the publishers will be delighted to take your manuscript with its novel historical perspective, creative reworking of creationist memes and experimental stream of semi-consciousness writing. Then everyone will finally recognize you as the genius you are instead of a miserable crackpot. I'm sure on the basis of this great work, you will be offered a chair as Professor of Creationism and Holocaust Revisionism at the Twinkle Twinkle School of Music and Card Tricks.
      Were you born with a pitchfork up your ass? You are easily the most humorless man ever. You continue to bat .000 on my profession.

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    5. Shorter Septic Tank "I still got nothin'."

      You have yet to demonstrate that you can refute one of the things I said and I have identified why that is, you've never read a single document that would be necessary to do that with and you never will because you're afraid to see what it says. Try reading your great hero's second major opus, The Descent of Man in which you will find everything I noted was said by him, then go look at those citations of Galton, Haeckel, Gregg, Fick, etc. and see that I've characterized them as saying what they say.

      I say that knowing someone as lazy and really, truly, stupid as you won't do anything that would be so like actual work.

      Perhaps I should finally let you in on a little secret, every day that none of you can refute what I've said with primary documentation is like added confirmation that the material to refute what I've said doesn't exist. I've made that challenge since 2006 and not one of you has come up with anything like that.

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    6. As to your profession, I'm beginning to wonder if you got your science degree from the back of a match book. If someone as stupid and childish as you can work in science, it's in a lot more trouble than I'd figured.

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    7. You are absolutely right. I have absolutely no way to show you that you are seeing things that can only be seen with magic creationist/holocaust revisionist goggles. You're absolutely right. I have nothing to say to someone who simply dismisses all scholars of the topic as liars because they disagree with the Sage of Beavertail. You have conclusively proven that Darwin caused the Holocaust and all biology is wrong.
      My hat is off to you. Everybody says that you are nothing but a failure. Everyone says you are nothing but a bitter reactionary crackpot. That you hoped to become a musician but that required talent you don't have. But what do they know? You have finally revealed that you are the genius that your slow witted mommy always said you were.
      So as I said, publish your revolutionary findings and set the academic world on fire. It's not like there are any other creationist/ holocaust revisionists out there.

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    8. Funny, it's something is own son, Leonard Darwin saw in April 1939, of course you think you know the mind of Charles Darwin better than his own son. Sons, actually as three of Leonard's brothers all said that their father was a supporter of eugenics, though, as I recall, none of them but Leonard saw it made law in Germany in 1933, the Nazis finally doing what he and so many others in the mainstream of Darwinists had been trying to do for the previous two decades.

      Every single biologist in the pre-war period who commented on this issue attributed their eugenics beliefs to reading Origin of Species and-or Descent of Man, so you can count them on being able to see these things too. And they weren't anything out of the ordinary. And I'm talking English language biologists, there were plenty of them in German who saw it as well, including, as I've pointed out, Ploetz, Schallmayer, Haeckel,

      It was only after the revelations of the crimes of the Nazis that you begin to find biologists, others who, suddenly, what do you know all of those folks before the war, including Darwin's sons, got him all wrong and he had nothing to do with it.

      What a friggin' coincidence? Huh?

      Only you have to do what you're too chicken to do and read the record, starting with St. Charles Darwin.

      Instead of doing that and trying to cobble together a refutation you stick with jr. high if not 2nd grade level insults. And in the milieu you inhabit, that's considered sufficient because none of them are all that interested in doing that reading either, they'll just recite the bull shit they've gotten from movies, plays, crap lit and cable TV shows.

      As I said, keep it up, the longer you don't produce anything to refute anything I've said - and the experience must be mighty frustrating to such a sophisticate as you - all it does is encourage me that I've read Darwin et al correctly.

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    9. Tony, you completely misunderstand me. I am conceding to your greatness and the brilliance of your tightly argued thesis. I repeat that you have proved once and for all that Darwin caused the Holocaust and that all of biology is godless and false. I salute you. And dare I say that you have increased your stature so much that I think it is safe to say that you have surpassed the brilliant scientific work of your master and fellow Christian, Mike Huckabee. Coming from me, that is high praise indeed.
      And I have taken heed of your sagacious advice and re read Darwin. I don't know how I could have missed the virulent and violent antisemitism in his work. These passages stuck out at me:
      "First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them.
      Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might belodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies.
      Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them."
      Damning indeed. I am ever so greatful that you have brought this fountain of hate to my attention.
      My hat is off to you, sir, and I bow to your superiority of mind. I am sure awards and honors will be flowing your way for your stunning intellectual accomplishments. Minds like yours are not to be found in the godless halls of academia and learning.

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    10. Since I'm politically to the left of you, you're just making a bigger fool of yourself. Keep going, eventually you're bound to make as big a fool of yourself as it's possible to do so, you might reach it yet.

      Let me ask you to answer one question directly, you won't have to read anything to do it, since you're so averse to reading anything.

      What makes you think you know the mind of Charles Darwin better than Leonard Darwin, his son, did?

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    11. How on earth do you think you know where I stand politically? I was simply struck by the similarities you share with your fellow Christian. Consider all you have in common. Sparky and Huckabee both:
      Thinks we need more religion in politics
      Hates elite universities and other institutions that ignore them
      Thinks God trumps the Constitution
      Hates pornography
      Rewrites history to cover up the failures of Christianity
      Hates the modern world
      Hates liberals for their godless ways
      Deplore all entertainment because it is not wholesome
      Knows nothing about science but detests it anyway
      Hates feminists for their godless ways
      Pretends to love Baby Jesus
      Think he is a musician

      That's a lot in common

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    12. I'll be glad to answer that question when you've answered my question.

      How do you know what Charles Darwin thought better than his own son Leonard Darwin did? I'd really like you to answer that because it's obvious you believe you do. Don't try to get out of answering it. It makes you look like a weak man.

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    13. "you stick with jr. high if not 2nd grade level insults."
      You are absolutely right and looking over the comments made in our spirited discourse, I see that they are filled with low brow, schoolyard remarks:

      you're a liar
      you're that intellectually vacuous that you figure that's how it's done among adults?
      you're a liar
      I say that knowing someone as lazy and really, truly, stupid as you won't do anything that would be so like actual work
      As to your profession, I'm beginning to wonder if you got your science degree from the back of a match book.
      If someone as stupid and childish as you can work in science, it's in a lot more trouble than I'd figured.

      Only you have to do what you're too chicken to do

      you are as ignorant about that as you are about all else

      The man who has never had a serious thought in his head except in the form of color forms that he doesn't quite know how to put together?

      you liars won't be able to lie about

      You and your fellow liars will find it increasingly hard to maintain the lie

      I know that an intelligent comment is beyond your accustomed working and thinking habits

      the most ignorant and biggest jerks with the fewest morals

      letting the biggest assholes rule the internet discussion, as well.

      entirely vulgar, ahistorical, dishonest and calculated to serve your own bigotry and parochialism

      the biggest asshole on the 2nd grade playground

      I can still kick your ass.

      totally depraved and have cooties



      You are so right, Sparky. These remarks indicate the flailing of a pathetic juvenile mind.

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    14. And here I was doing you the favor of speaking your language,

      So, you going to tell me how you know what Charles Darwin was thinking better than his sons? How about Francis Darwin, he explicitly mentioned his father's support for his brother George's "eugenic articles". It's well known that he did. So how does someone like you who never laid eyes on Charles Darwin know more about what he thought than his sons who knew him from the time they were born? Go on, tell me how you know Charles Darwin better than they did.

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    15. Sparky, I don't give a shit what Darwin's kids thought of him. I only know what Darwin wrote. If you need hearsay from his kids to prop up your creationism, then go for it. I hope it makes you feel better. Maybe you won't be such an angry, hateful crank. I doubt that. Even baby Jesus doesn't seem to bring you any serenity.

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    16. If you knew that you would know that in The Descent of Man he endorsed Francis Galton's first two magazine articles and book, Hereditary Genius which Galton, himself, said were his first published works on eugenics. And Galton also published the letter that Darwin sent him praising Hereditary Genius, noting that George Darwin had finished it before he did. You would also know that he said that Haeckel's massively eugenic work Naturlische Schopfungsgeschichte was a great work of science and that if he'd know Haeckel was writing it he probably wouldn't have finished The Descent of Man because he was in such total agreement with what Haeckel said. He also endorsed W. R. Greg, who some "credit" as the co-inventor of eugenics. You would also know that in the 5th edition of On the Origin of Species that Survival of the Fittest was the same thing as Natural Selection (pg. 92).

      So, tell me why his sons weren't correct about their father, in light of those facts about what Charles Darwin wrote, in his second most important book on the topic of evolution and in such things as the letter their father had sent to Francis Galton, which had been published by Galton before his death in 1911 (as I recall). Leonard Darwin said at least three times in three different decades that his father would have approved of his eugenics activism, in 1914, in a letter to Karl Pearson, in the dedication of his 1926 book on eugenics and in 1939 as the Nazis had been sterilizing people for six years and a few months before they officially started their mass murder campaign. Leonard Darwin was in contact with German eugenicists, he'd been campaigning for eugenics in Germany for more than a decade at that point.

      And, of course, unlike you and every single other post-war St. Darwin devotees who fully believe he had nothing to do with eugenics, Leonard Darwin knew his own father.

      Your presumption that you knew what Leonard, Francis, George and Horace Darwin didn't know about their own father is ridiculous and irrational. But such is the required belief of the sciency atheists like you.

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    17. Listen, I'm not the one who has Charles Darwin shoved up his ass. Your obsession with Darwin is unhealthy. Get a hobby, get a boyfriend, get a life. I have no idea if his sons were correct about their father or not. And as I said, I don't give a shit.
      What you idiotic creationists don't understand is that Darwin's personal character has absolutely no bearing on his science. Yes, people used a complete distortion of Darwin to create the monster of Social Darwinism and eugenics. Every idiot knows that. It seems like a novel discovery to you.
      Darwin's (and a lot of other people, but Darwin is the shorthand) insights into evolution and natural selection were revolutionary ideas in biology. They now form an essential foundation of modern biology.
      Of course, like every scientist, Darwin was wrong about a number of things. And he had no clue about the mechanisms of inheritance. So, modern evolutionary biology actually has very little Darwin in it. And your childish attempts at character assassination does absolutely nothing to undermine modern biology. No scientific theory is dependent on the personal characteristics of the scientist.
      Now, I know you think there is something wrong with natural selection. That only demonstrates that you know nothing about biology and how science works. But science, facts, evidence and logic are complete strangers to creationists. You have ranted and screamed for days claiming that Darwin caused the Holocaust. Go right ahead and believe that. It fits right in with all your other superstitions. Even if that were true (and only creationists think it is) it doesn't affect the scientific validity of evolution and natural selection. The personal flaws of Charles Darwin do not in any way discredit the scientific validity of evolution and natural selection. The personal flaws of Charles Darwin do not in any way discredit the scientific validity of evolution and natural selection. The personal flaws of Charles Darwin do not in any way discredit the scientific validity of evolution and natural selection. The personal flaws of Charles Darwin do not in any way discredit the scientific validity of evolution and natural selection.
      I know you will never understand this. But let me offer an analogy. Martin Luther was one of the more despicable humans ever. This is established fact, although you keep ignoring his monstrous antisemitism. Does Luther's odious character invalidate the entire Protestant brand of Jesus? You think Darwin tarnishes modern biology. Does Luther tarnish Protestantism? No double standards.

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    18. No, you don't get to tell that lie here, when Charles Darwin said, in the fifth edition of Origin of Species that Natural Selection was the same thing as Survival of the Fittest HE was the one who equated Darwinism with Social Darwinism. That is something that no one in the period before the Second World War pretended wasn't true and the denial of which was made mandatory after World War Two. About the only poeple who weren't denying it were, first, hard core Social Darwinists and eugenicists such as Francis Crick, Arthur Jensen, James Watson, Charles Galton Darwin (Grandson of Charles, son of George Darwin) and, once they saw the opportunity, creationists.

      You can only pretend so long that you've read Darwin when it's obvious that you haven't and I have gone to that bother so I know where the evidence disproving what you said, in the very words of Charles Darwin, over many documents. And the confirmation of that in the words of Francis Galton, Ernst Haeckel, Leonard, Francis, George Darwin, in Thomas Huxley - Darwin's own "bulldog" and foremost British associate (I'd actually - by sheer number of citations made by Darwin - count have to call Francis Galton as his foremost British associate) and lines of descent in the ideas of Darwin up to and including today.

      Natural Selection was central to the Nazis understanding of biology, that is inescapable in reading everything from the most sciency sounding stuff from the most official member of a science faculty at the most prestigious German and Austrian universities right down to the insane ranting of Adolph Hitler and his thugs. Rudoph Hess said that "National Socialism is nothing but applied biology." And central to that Nazi understanding of biology was natural selection.

      In no place I've seen did Martin Luther advocate killing Jews. He had hoped to convert them to his protestantism and his vulgar antisemitic statements came after his failure to convince them. On the other hand, both Ernst Haeckel and his student - and future Nazi scientist - Alfred Ploetz would have seemed to have their antisemitic tendencies enhanced by their application of natural selection.

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    19. cont.
      It's really not hard to argue with you because you're instantly googling the lies so popular with atheists that I've already fact checked, only you can't stand that you've been sold on a bunch of lies which can be disproved by reading what Charles Darwin said. Old Chuck wasn't above some double talk when he really wanted to say what he meant but knew it would be controversial because the results of it, if put into effect, would be unacceptable to anyone with the slightest sense of decency. Of course he found plenty of people without the slightest sense of decency among the rich of Britain and elsewhere, such as his cousin Francis Galton, the beneficiaries of the Malthusian Poor Law. And in the United States. It's no wonder that it was the Rockefeller and Carnage foundations which funded the Nazi eugenics efforts anymore than it was IBM which provided the Nazis with the tabulation machines they used to hunt down Nazis, Roma and others to send them to their scientifically designed death camps.

      The Nazi genocide machine was the creation of scientific thinking with the component of morality removed from it, as is fully allowable under the agreed to rules of the science game. The major forces that tried to counter it as it was developing were the churches, the Catholic church, Protestant churches - many of them splitting on the issues involved some of them which refused to give up morality attacked and suppressed by the Nazis, some of their members marked for death. That's the real history of it, not the atheist version of it. In my research I have looked for atheists murdered by the Nazis for their atheism and have not found one yet. There are thousands of Christians who were murdered for their religion, probably hundreds of thousands who risked their lives by following their religion by aiding Jews and others who the Nazis were using their scientific and sociological resources to find and kill. In the case of Catholics, anyone who was involved in the Nazi murders were violating the instruction of the Pope who couldn't have been clearer, first Pius XI in Mit Brenndender Sorge and Pius XII in various things he said even as the Vatican was under siege. I've been studying the effort to defame Pius XII in the 1960s and after, which are at odds with those Jews in Rome and elsewhere who credited him with heroic efforts to help the Jews escape, including directly housing them within the Vatican. Though I haven't gotten to the point of being ready to write posts on the subject, I'm convinced that it was part of a plan by the Soviet government to defame him. The Nazis certainly wouldn't have been above bombing the Vatican or killing the Pope if their calculations told them they'd get an advantage from it.

      Really, kid, you've got nothing that anyone who has bothered to read the primary documentation can't answer. Try reading it, maybe you'll find the silver bullet that eluded me, I started this looking for the evidence that would exonerate Charles Darwin because I made the mistake of figuring the St. Darwin industry was telling the truth. That delusion lasted about the time it took me to read his introductory remarks in The Descent of Man when he started gushing about the great works of Ernst Haeckel and Francis Galton.

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    20. Repeating bullshit over and over again will not make it true. It isn't your goddamn rosary. What you can't seem to get through your akull is that all of your ranting about Darwin does not in any way invalidate natural selection or any other part of science. Even if we found a Darwin letter in a time capsule addressed to Hitler saying kill all the Jews, natural selection would still be true. You and all the other creationists don't understand that because none of you have ever studied science or know anything about it.
      You said that Martin Luther never said kill all the Jews. Neither did Darwin or Haekel either. They also didn't say, as Luther clearly did, that we should destroy all their houses, burn their synagogues and take all their sacred texts. So who is the antisemite? Every scholar of the Holcaust recognizes the important role of Christian antisemitism. The only people who deny this are you holocaust revisionists.
      OK, you have flogged this horse into molecules, so I issue you a challenge for your next project to fill up your pathetic empty life. Try to find any evidence that Anthony McCarthy is a Christian. Does there exist any documentary evidence that he even tries to live his life showing Christian love and charity to his fellow man? Since there is a written record, I suggest that you concentrate on your relationships online. Find some examples of the way that your gentle love and encouragement have been a beacon to all of the power of the love of Jesus. As always, feel free to use extra pages, and extra pages and extra pages and extra pages.

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    21. I think you just produced a rough script for one of those "Downfall" parodies, only I couldn't put that much crap in the mouth of Bruno Ganz.

      I really need to know, what branch of science can someone get into with your level of dementia?

      I also have to say that it's a huge mistake letting science majors wave history requirements. Apparently science isn't enough to keep them tethered to a broader range of reality.

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    22. It was a trick challenge. There is zero evidence you are or have ever been a Christian.
      But he way, the word is waive, not wave. And the residents of Poland are called Poles, not Pols as you repeatedly write. I took a hell of a lot more history than you you took science. You should stick to something you know, about, whatever that is.
      An alternate challenge for you is provide evidence that you are a musician. That career didn't work out for you, did it? No concerts, no compositions, no recordings.all those dreams came to failure. Now you are stuck in Beavertail teaching little kids to play Twinkle Twinkle. You must have been a terrible disappointment to your mommy.

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    23. Well, Skepsy, I've never claimed to be a. a writer, b. even less so an editor, c. a proponent of standardized spellng. I can't claim to be particularly bothered by the insults of such a phony who pretends to have read things he clearly never has and who won't read them honestly because they would disprove his cherished superstitions about St. Darwin, hero of atheist fantasy.

      Please, at least tell me you don't work in one of the life sciences or in anything that anyone's' life depends on. Tell me you do something like cosmology which has absolutely nothing to do with anything important and, so, it's impossibility of verification is meaningless. Please tell me you're one of the string-membrane-mulitiuniverse crackpots.

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    24. Well, I am really impressed that you actually admit to being an uneducated and talentless hillbilly. That's a lot more self awareness than you have previously shown. My dear, look at the time. You better run along to the Huckabee rally. His talk will be: Natural Selection, A Tool of the Devil or a Genocide of Christians? You certainly don't want to miss the altar call.
      Have a wonderful day, loser.

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    25. Well, if it will make you any more unhappy, count me as "an uneducated and talentless hillbilly" who has every intention of remaining impudent and of kicking your ass, again.

      You have yet to refute anything I've said on the basis of what Charles Darwin said. I might, if another student skives off of tutoring go through all of your comments here to see if you've quoted him accurately and fully even once. Or at all.

      Maybe you're a computer geek, they have such a way of being unconnected from even physical reality. Never mind real life.

      You are far less bright than you would ever want anyone to notice, Skeps.

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    26. Run along to your revival. Next up will be your idol Ben Carson. His talk will be Why Won't the Jews Shut Up about the Holocaust and Just Get Over It? You Never Hear Christians Whining About All The Persecution They Constantly Suffer..
      I already told you I will not tell you personal information about myself. You are a seriously disturbed little creature and I will not put myself and my family in danger when you finally snap. I can not imagine why any parent would allow their children to be alone with you, the Norman Bates of Beavertail.

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    27. If there were any doubt in my mind why you're so compatible with Simels and the rump remnant of Duncan Black's commenting community, you just dispelled it. As that dear old critic of Darwinism, William James once said, "A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices." As you've got such facile and simple minded ones it must not be very difficult for you.

      Hey, the brats grades in Algebra go up when they work with me, that's all I can tell you. Maybe it's because I don't look down on them and treat them with respect. You'd get off on insulting them in the mistaken belief it made you their superior.

      I'm way to the left of you, Septic Tank. Materialism inevitably devolves into a retrograde, right-wing mass indistinguishable from Nazism. Haeckel's characterization of Natural Selection got that tendency right.

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