Friday, May 30, 2014

You can sell anything with sex in the United States except responsibility and life. A Specimen Of Ignorance of the Champions of Sciency Stuff

See major Update below

 As loathe as I am to pay attention to hecklers, I found this in comment moderation this morning.

This is great, Sparky.

Still using the generic "irresponsible and promiscuous sex leads to death" weasel words? Typical.

Here's a clue, numbnuts The AIDS epidemic of the 70s and 80s wasn't caused by generic promiscuity, however YOU personally define that -- and it seems to be be "PROMISCUITY: Any sexual fantasy or practice that I, Sparky, personally find icky" -- but rather the gay bathouse culture of the era, which was promiscuity on stilts, steroids, and shot into the center of the galaxy. Which I might add was not a surprise to anybody, i.e. it was obviously a gigantic Petri dish for all sorts of nasty bugs and a public health disaster waiting to happen.
There hadn't been a heterosexual equivalent of that milieu since the fall of Rome, and there isn't one currently. So the idea that the average normally sexually active 20 or 30 something today is just a one night stand away from death is, frankly, bullshit. As you well know.

Let me say again -- HIV is a really tough bug to acquire; you have to REALLY be working at it.

Who am I to pass up the chance to let one of these people demonstrate so many of my contentions about the failure of the play-left?    This is an example of so much that is wrong with the American media - the dolt is considered to be a sort of journalist - with the so-called left - the dolt is considered to be a sort of leftist - and the pretensions of the play-left, that it, unlike its opponents, respects science and rationality and such things as the scientific management of public health.   All of those and the idea that the play-left isn't thoroughly centered on and in affluent, white, straight men are so well shown by this heckling that I'm going to use it for a post or more.

That, 32 years after AIDS was first identified as a discrete syndrome, someone could be so entirely ignorant of the most basic nature of who contracts the virus leading to it, how they contract it, the fact that, in the United States, about 50,000 new infections happen every year - the large majority of those through either promiscuous sexual intercourse or intercourse with those who engage in promiscuous sex, is appalling.

The same people who write stuff like that comment would be the first to condemn someone who demonstrated ignorance of evolution on a level with this or with the anti-vaxxers whose denial isn't much different in effect.   But their ignorance is unremarkable on blog threads full of people who would slam creationists and anti-vaxx people at the drop of an implication.  Anyone who denies the relationship of the AIDS pandemic with promiscuous sex is too stupid to put one and two together.

I wrote my first blog posts on this topic in June of 2006.  I don't see that the eight years of internet use has done much to improve the state of ignorance among the self-congratulating intelligentsia, no more than it has among those who are more obviously seen to be in a benighted state of disinformation about it.   Here's what I said then.  I will note that I had a far more optimistic and innocent view of what I would come to consider the play-left within a few months.

Tuesday, June 06, 2006

SILVER ANNIVERSARY

You have heard the announcements, it was 25 years ago that they figured out that a new health disaster was beginning. With time they would name it AIDS and learn that it was caused by HIV but in the beginning they just knew that a uniformly fatal disease had emerged. Twenty-five years is long enough for the anniversary to seem downright nostalgic with old names and faces appearing on TV. Researchers and doctors who haven't been seen since Donahue was on day time. Progress is reported on many fronts though at best some of the worst symptoms can be kept down for a while. I won't go into the details of the side effects and expense of the drugs required. Even "Secrets of the Dead" had an interesting piece about genetic immunity to the virus. I won't watch cable anymore so am not sure if the maudlin parade of name victims has been a staple of the coverage.

Twenty-five years into a pandemic with effective uniform mortality and there are still 40,000 people contracting HIV infections in the United States every year. For the love of God, there are still babies being born here with HIV infection. Teenagers are often mentioned as a group at major risk of new infection.

Twenty-five years and there isn't real condom education on TV. The medium that uses a third of every hour to sell everything else in the world with sex with programs to reinforce the ads for the other two thirds. You can sell anything with sex in the United States except responsibility and life.

In the same years that health scientists were begging the United States to begin comprehensive promotion of effective condom use, there has been an effective veto on condom advertisements and education by the clergy, their allies in the conservative movement and the Republican Party. They have kept condom education out of TV in the United States. And while they were doing that they made Rupert Murdoch a citizen of the United States. The "dirty digger" of the infamous "Sun" tabloid, the Aussie T&A peddler was put on fast track for citizenship in the Reagan years so he could start buying media companies and plying his trade in low grade smut and right wing politics. I've got to eat breakfast or I'd go into his being installed as a Papal Knight of St. Gregory during the same period. So it's not the sex they won't let on TV. Mr. Page Three, yes. Condom education? You willing to bet your life on seeing it here?

It is twenty-five years past the time when the United States should have ditched the faith based tire biters and put real education about condoms in the mass media. And mass media is the only effective means of mass education we have. How many people can tell you who this fifteen minutes' American Idol is as compared to the number who can tell you where Athens has been for the past 2,500 years? Every week that clergymen or Concerned Bottle Blonds of America delay the airing of real, effective, science based AIDS education thousands will die. They are the angels of preventable death. Completely informed and totally unconcerned, they are worse than the ignorant Muslim clergy who are responsible for polio outbreaks in Nigeria. There is no question that their veto of condom education and the full index of lies and distortions they replace it with are responsible for many times more dead Americans than the attacks of Sept. 11th. And that's just here. The bodies they've left lie around the world.

Condoms are the most effective way to prevent new HIV infections. They are safe, inexpensive, simple to use and when used consistently, people live. But they will not be used without a massive education and public relations campaign. They have to be made acceptable, even fashionable. Their use has to be made as every day and habitual as brushing your teeth and using deodorant before you go out on a date. Our media could do that. They can sell anything. If they can get Americans to try sushi they can get them to save their lives. Think of the possibilities, think of what those geniuses behind the Geico ads could do on the subject.

Will it ever be done? Will it be done in time for your children or grand children to learn how to save their lives? Twenty-five years and they're still talking in generalities and nice words that Michael Powell would have approved. The TV discussion I've heard is worse than it was during the Reagan years. Clearly, the conservative establishment and their corporate media are going for gold.

Update:  Apparently, within thirty minutes of posting this piece, this morning, Duncan Black, at his blog posted a link to this New York Times op-ed by one of the current, up and coming promoters of the sex industry,  Melissa Gira Grant.  Her theme would seem to be that any attempt to rescue girls who are trafficked in prostitution is definitively discredited by the exposure of Somaly Mam as a fraud and the ham-handed, strong-arm tactics in a raid on a brothel.   Apparently those who have approved of Grant's piece agree with those standards of judgement.  But, even if the Newsweek story about Somaly Mam is accurate how does that discredit the fact that girls (and boys, for that matter) are trafficked by the sex industry and that they need protection any more than that girls need education and protection from those who would exploit  them by the similar exposure of Greg Mortenson, the author of Three Cups of Tea and former head of a charity for girl's education?    And if the police abusing their power or doing things badly is supposed to serve the purpose Grant makes of it, then any area of law enforcement is equally discredited.

As I said, when it comes to sex, the thinking apparatus of even someone as intelligent and well educated as Duncan Black and the editors of the New York Times ceases to operate.   The desire to try to be fashionable and up to date might account for some of it, but, if it were someone else, questions about their own arousal by young girls kept in brothels might be raised.   Similar issues of the "agency" of very young girls seems to be a cause for these middle agers, most of them men, as well.

Here's what the World Health Organization has to say about the conditions and consequences of brothels in Cambodia.

Since the first HIV infections were detected and diagnosed in 1991, and the first AIDS cases in 1993, Cambodia has faced the rapid spread of HIV. The major route of HIV transmission in the country is heterosexual contact, especially through the use of brothels or entertainment places by males away from their families, without the protection of always using a condom in every sexual act. Starting among high-risk groups, such as brothel based and entertainment-based sex workers, the virus has been passed to low-risk groups, such as housewives, with married clients of sex workers acting as the bridge group for HIV transmission.

There are many factors contributing to the rapid spread of HIV in Cambodia, but them major ones are poverty (around 36% of the Cambodian population lives below the poverty line), and low literacy rates, especially among girls. Only 30% of girls aged between 15-49 years attend school, which means there are few opportunities for them to look for professional, skilled jobs. The risks for young women of starting to work in entertainment places or brothels if their virginity is destroyed by their boyfriends, by sexual violence, or they are sold by their parents or relatives are increasing.

Sexual trafficking, exploitation, violence, high illiteracy rates, drug use (for the time being, yaba) and sexual tourism are all also contributing to the rapid spread of HIV in Cambodia. Recent changes in social norms regarding male behavior are growing up around party celebrations (including wedding parties, religious parties, national and international holidays, birthday parties etc.) in today’s Cambodia, increasing their vulnerability to HIV/STI transmission. At these parties young men meet their friends and then, as a group, go on either directly to a brothel or to entertainment places to have fun or sex before returning home.

I have to say that anyone who promotes the affluent and educated Melissa Gira Grant's promotion of prostitution for such girls as those described above, and especially that NYT op-ed, goes down in my opinion as, at the very least, a vicarious sex tourist with fantasies about having sex with young girls, and or boys, in third world countries.   Yes, even those at the august NYT.   I don't think anything less could account for their critical faculties shutting down so catastrophically.  I would expect it also accounts for why so many men in brothels are willing to bribe or force even very young children into sex without a condom when their fellow johns are so much more likely to have already infected them with deadly pathogens.

6 comments:

  1. So, AIDS spread because of gay bathhouses in the '70's? Wasn't that a rather closed culture, though, by definition? If it wasn't "generic promiscuity," it apparently was very highly specific promiscuity?

    Which explains why AIDS spread so rapidly in parts of Africa because? Bathhouse culture in Africa? Rabidly homophobic (more than not) Africa, where AIDS is primarily a problem among heterosexuals?

    I can't even get past the premise here. It simply doesn't make any sense.

    And Somaly Mam's fraud proves sex trafficking is also fraudulent? In what pocket universe?

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  2. And, remember, it is the august New York Times that provided MGG the platform to make those claims. And the somewhat less august Duncan Black that linked to it. So much for the "reality community".

    I remember in the early years of the epidemic, especially in New York City, a lot of the theorists of gay politics-culture of the 1970s, the ones who declared that promiscuous anal sex was a sign of liberation, condemned the public health officials who made a link between that and the epidemic for oppressing gay men. There was probably some stupid phrase for it, some instantly created label but I can't recall it, so many stupid labels of the kind created to obfuscate and lie being created by that bunch. I knew a couple who had an open relationship back then, one was promiscuous the other one not, as far as anyone knew but both of them have been dead for going on 20 years, now. Both dying in their 30s.

    I have the distinct feeling that no member of Duncan Black's family or the families of those at the NYT who published MGG's crap has ever been at risk of becoming a prostitute or porn-prostitute. I do have a great-niece who is a drug addict and, while I don't know if she has officially turned to prostitution, worked at an "adult entertainment" establishment. None of us knows where she is now, my niece, when I asked her in December, just said "Last I heard she was in the Boston area". She was such a sweet child.

    The gift that keeps on giving has already provided me with another comment to make a post on this weekend.

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  3. Apropos of absurd comments, I challenged a comment about...well, now I can't remember what it was. Something stupid about the origins of Xianity and how Paul screwed everything up with his paganism (Paul the Pharisee, mind you). The usual mindless drivel from people who've heard of "The Mythmaker," that ridiculous book about how Paul messed up Xianity.

    Anyway, I challenged the stupidity, and was told that Paul had something to do with one of the Councils of Nicea (which also ruined Xianity), and how Paul ruined the gospels. Somehow.

    Oh, yeah, and most Biblical scholars (I mentioned them first) were rabid Christians who don't know anything because...well, rabid Christians.

    Of course, somebody on the thread mentioned Bart Ehrman, who is an atheist; and Elaine Pagels, also an atheist (I think). So there went that. And Paul was dead before Mark (the oldest canonical gospel) was likely written, so how he changed the gospels from beyond the grave is a bit weird. And...well, they screwed up the council of Nicea completely.

    But no matter; it's all fairy tales, isn't it?

    I just give up. I've sworn off reading any comments on any thread at Salon that even tangentially involves religion. I can't take the stupid anymore.

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  4. I had an atheist who claimed to be an expert in Jewish religion place Hillel more than a century too early. I think they may have not understood how BCE works.

    I wish I had a dollar for every atheist I've had to point out Ehrman's HuffPo piece where he said like it or not, Jesus was a real person who really lived. I try to wait until the athidiot has "cited" their favorite NT expert.

    I wasn't too impressed with Pagels the first time I heard her interviewed (Terry Gross?) and haven't paid her much mind.

    Salon-Alternet is sort of a trap crop for atheist idiots. Unfortunately they all seem to go on line to get regular hate fixes during the day. Speaking of which, the gift who keeps giving has left 4 unhinged comments in moderation here since this morning. Each as silly as can be.

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  5. It took me awhile to realize these idiots railing about Paul "ruining" the gospels were doing so because the letters come after the gospels in the order in the canon.

    Which means, of course, the gospels were written first....

    When I have to stop giving them credit for knowing anything before I can understand what I'm responding to, I realize it isn't worth the effort to read the comment thread.

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  6. Now that I'm started I'm going to natter on. Post this or not, as you prefer; I know I'm way off the topic.

    Between Pagels and Ehrman, I think the former is the better scholar. But Pagels tried to cash in on her personal story of belief/non-belief, in the mold of another NT scholar who made a splash about two decades back (already forgotten who he was). Going personal is always better in the popular market, which is where the money is. Dom Crossan is a better scholar than either of them, but despite the fact he's been in more than a few documentaries about the historical Jesus and the early church, nobody knows who he is outside scholarly circles.

    Scholarship is not popular. I'm not much for "experts" who are popular, for that very reason.

    Ehrman just seems to rehash things I learned in seminary, and that was some time back. He's not doing anything as interesting as even the Jesus Seminar did once up on a time, but he gets on the radio and in HuffPo, so he's now a "name." Good for him.

    But the funny part is, the really radical stuff never even gets mentioned. I mean, nobody in the press ever pushes the ideas so hard that it really does challenge one's view of Xianity. We did that all the time in seminary, but doing it "in public" is still, apparently, verboten.

    There was, once upon a time, a documentary heavily advertised on the intertoobs about how Jesus of Nazareth was fictional. I'm quite sure every "atheist" I've encountered on line saw that documentary or accepted the ad at face value. And, of course, "The Mythmaker" proves their "radical" bona fides, so they all refer to that, whether they know it or not.

    It's ignorance chasing stupidity, is all it is. And if I read one more comment about religion being "myths" and "fairy tales," I'm gonna take a hostage.

    I swear; I'll do it this time!

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