Saturday, April 13, 2013

"Why Did You Risk Your Reputation To Attack The Skeptics"?

First, I'm not aware of having that kind of reputation to worry about.   There's a reason I called the blog what I have.

The theme of my blogging is how the left went from the height of its influence and ability to change things in the 1960s to the utter impotence it suffers from today as the "liberal" Obama puts the legacies of FDR and LBJ on the negotiating table with people who have every intention of destroying those, slowly or immediately, as possible.   In some way just about everything I write about is related to that.

In studying the history of the left from the late 18th century till today there has been a complete and total divergence between the struggle for egalitarian democracy based in rights and materialism.  It is, plainly, the difference between regarding people as equal possessors of rights obliged to respect the rights of all other people and the materialist view of people as complicated chemical reactions with no status other than any other material object.  Materialism, in the end, sees people as having no real status different from any other temporary arrangement of molecules.

In that irreconcilable difference is found today's impotence of what gets called "the left" or "liberalism".  I hold that any liberalism which is worthy of the name, any left that will result in a less depraved and sustainable life, grows out of a necessarily non-materialist view of life.  That is my contention.

Since the founding of CSICOP, by a group of atheists who, while occasionally giving lip service to an expansive view of human rights, promoted the idea that people are merely material objects, it was impossible for me to not address "Skepticism".  The history of the modern "Skeptical" movement has been one of intentional and increasing coercion to promote that view of life, a view of life that is inevitably an undermining of the actual basis of liberalism.  The replacement of morally indifferent license on the basis of asserted "liberty"  merely imitates a truly liberated view of life based in holding that people are equally endowed with rights by,  as Jefferson put it, "BY THEIR CREATOR".  

The explicit reason for the creation of the "Skepticism" industry was to bully, coerce, harass, and suppress any expression of any idea that endangered their view of materialism.  Corliss Lamont, the major funding source of the "Humanists" at the time they were giving birth to "Skepticism" was an open and public Stalinist, lying about the mass murders, the show trials and the actual nature of his regime*.  He didn't much change that in the period after Stalin was discredited by his successors and the crimes Lamont had denied were publicly admitted to by the Soviet government or exposed by their liberal opponents.  As the theme I developed last year noted, the actual history of explicitly materialist, anti-religious governments can be seen as an experiment in what happens when people are regarded as being merely material objects and the results are anything but free.

The present day "new atheism" is largely manned by the same people as the "Skepticism" industry was and is.  Many of its online and other incorporated entities were either directly started by Paul Kurtz, other members of CSICOP or other groups in his empire of groups.  Most of the named figures in online atheism who I've checked out have a link to "Skepticism", a lot of them embody that link, themselves.  You can check out the origins or the associations of most of them and you'll find some relationship.   As the materialists make the connection between ideological atheism and "Skepticism",  eventually anyone who criticizes one will have to deal with the other.

As I mentioned, I was as unaware of the real nature of the controlled scientific research in parapsychology, ESP or psi until I began to read it.  

- I was unaware of the rather astonishing level of rigor in protecting experiments from error, a level that is virtually absent in any other science dealing with behavior, that there has been a constant practice of listening to the external and internal critics of previous research AND THE RESEARCHERS INCORPORATING THE ADVICE OF THEIR CRITICS INTO THEIR FURTHER EXPERIMENTS.  

- I was unaware of the rigor in the statistical analysis of that research, AGAIN INCORPORATING THE CRITICISMS MADE OF IT IN REANALYZING THE RESEARCH.

- I was unaware of the rather astonishing research into unintentional and involuntary physiological responses demonstrating psychic phenomena.   Which I find to be the most impressive confirmation of all.

- I was also unaware of the massive dishonesty of Martin Gardner, James Randi, Ray Hyman and others presented by the "Skepticism"/ atheism industry as credible critics.

As I read both the research and the critics and the analysis of both the research AND THE CRITICS the CSICOP party line fell apart.  The motives of CSICOP, its successor, CSI, CFI etc. in protecting a rigid materialism was obvious.  As that was happening in the past decade, my own analyses of the damage that materialism has done to liberalism and the left were also progressing.  It wasn't difficult to notice that "Skepticism" was the Trojan horse of that kind of materialism.   In addressing those movements, the most obvious aspect of them is their dishonesty, both in intentions and in polemical tactics.  They're not much different from some of the seedier manifestations of right-wing fundamentalism and corporate oligarchs.  Indeed, I've come to see that, ultimately, they've got pretty much the same goal, to impose a rigid ideology and regime on human culture, one that reduces people to objects which are there for use and disposal, objects who have no consciousness, no inherent rights.  Objects which can be evaluated on the basis of their utility, unequal in that, objects for use to which the potential users have no absolute moral obligations.

*  I have yet to discover what Lamont, as an active Stalinist, had to say about Lysenkoism, one of two major pseudo-scientific movements of the 20th century.   Unlike American creationist-fundamentalism,  Lysenkoism resulted in the murder of a number of prominent scientists by Stalin, that great champion of "scientific" materialism.   I've noted what another prominent Stalinist-atheist, Haldane had to say about it at the time,  which didn't exactly add luster to Haldane's record.

9 comments:

  1. Thought of you today, listening to the editor of "Reason" magazine on an MSNBC show, telling me the problem with education (among other things) is the rising cost of administration.

    Because, ya know, that $$$ isn't being spent in the classroom.

    Well, stands to reason, donchaknow?

    Doesn't even sit to reason, actually. The idea that administrator suck up all the $$$ teachers would spent improving the educational outcome of schools, or teaching students better and faster and more efficiently, is based on: nothing. There's no examination of what schools are asked to do now (free lunch, testing, mainstream students with disabilities, etc.), and of how important school is (even community colleges need administrators just to guide students through two year degree plans, so they have some clue what they are pursuing and how they are going to get there).

    Teachers are important, but so are administrators. It's lazy ignorance to say we can eliminate administrators and teaching will improve. It's not just lazy, it's ignorant.

    But once again, ignorance parades as "Reason" because "common sense" and "we all know!" prevails.

    I mean, ya wanna be stupid, be my guest. You wanna parade yourself as wise and knowledgeable and a source of insight, you have a higher bar to clear.

    He didn't even get off the ground. But such is the nature of our public discourse; information and understanding just get in the way of "what we all know."

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  2. This is great, Sparky. Your entire philosophy comes down to "either you believe Uri Geller really can bend spoons and John Edwards really talked to dead people on the SyFy Channel, or you're a moral monster."

    Kudos for the clarity of your position!!!

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  3. Simels, I don't need a crystal ball to predict that you'll parrot the typical lines you got from the lower depths of pop culture, in this case the party line of CSICOP, that you won't have read the post or understood what it's about - you don't actually read things that are more than about 75 words long do you - never mind links and certainly not anything like a scientific or mathematical paper. I'll bet your knowledge of statistics ends at the predicted outcomes of a coin toss. Though I'm betting you'd have to do an emergency wiki-research job to understand that last sentence. So I'm leaving your comment in place as an example of someone whose understanding of the subject is about what someone who watches the Discovery channel might have but no higher.

    If you're still reading you can take comfort in knowing that you have plenty of company in the lower-mid brow blog rats who like to think they are the brain trust of liberalism while comprising the single most obvious reason that liberalism has fallen on such hard times.

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  4. I find your lack of faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster disturbing.

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  5. Someone complained when I took down our past exchanges. It turns out some people found my answers to your predictable repetitions amusing.

    You can't even come up with your own used-tissue paper quality satire. Don't you have to go recycle your Stones piece for the 35,893rd time as they tour yet again? Or to go do your part in driving Eschaton into the ground. Sad what your clique has done to that blog.

    NTodd and I shared a good laugh at your expense last week.

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  6. Ah yes, NTodd.

    As I mentioned upstairs, that Profile in Courage who broke up with the girlfriend he was cheating on via e-mail.

    Please, give him my best the next time you guys are chortling.
    :-)

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  7. You said that already. Or perhaps you forgot, avoiding thinking can do that to you at your stage of life, didn't use it so you lose it. Don't worry, I'll bet you can still name every Kinks record ever issued. How many times have you recycled that piece? And in your line of work what else do you have to know anyway? Oh, I know, you could write a book, "Everything I Needed To Know I Learned in 8th Grade".

    I looked in at Eschaton a couple of weeks ago when someone was trying to get me upset about someone talking about me. Was it you sockpuppeting again? So sad to see the approximately half a dozen or ten regulars who have anything to say still holding it up the ruin the rest of you have made of it. I told them I wasn't even interested in hearing about it anymore.

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  8. I looked in at Eschaton a couple of weeks ago when someone was trying to get me upset about someone talking about me



    I'll bet you did, Sparky.
    :-)

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  9. If you'd used one of your sockpuppets to make that comment, Simels, I'd have known it was yours from it's perfect sameness. You should change your name to Same-els.

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