Saturday, May 29, 2021

I'm Tired Of Re-answering The Same Claims I Refuted Years Ago - If I Could Sue Duncan Black For Sponsoring His Lies About Me I'd Do It

THAT WAS A CLAIM I refuted when he said the same thing five years ago.  One of dozens of claims he's made over the years which I refuted absolutely only to have him pretend that I haven't.   He learned a small number of false cliches in his youth and he's never going to bother to find out that none of them are true.  He's a lazy ass. 

In the book Elie Wiesel: Conversations By Elie Wiesel, Robert Franciosi, he said:

When we study what happened a generation ago, we cannot but think that it was prepared by the rationalists.  If Darwin, the scientist, for example, had not reduced man to the state of an animal,  maybe people would have thought twice before killing human beings. 

That's what I come up with from memory in about 45 seconds.  If I had the time to research the issue I would find others, I'm sure.  Anyone who read what the Nazi racial theorists based their ideas of biological supremacy on would find the same short links between the British Darwinists and the German Darwinists and the proto-Nazi eugenicists (they were the same people in a number of instances) and the Nazi eugenicists whose biological dogmas were the explicit basis of the various programs of mass murder the Nazis committed.  In the case of Ernst Haeckel and several others, the links go both ways from and to ol' St. Chuck Darwin, himself.

And acknowledging that line of transmission from Darwin to Nazism, through Darwinism, isn't something that only the survivor Elie Wiesel noted.  The Darwinist Stephen Jay Gould did as well.


[Haeckel's] evolutionary racism; his call to the German people for racial purity and unflinching devotion to a “just” state; his belief that harsh, inexorable laws of evolution ruled human civilization and nature alike, conferring upon favored races the right to dominate others; the irrational mysticism that had always stood in strange communion with his grave words about objective science—all contributed to the rise of Nazism,

Stephen Jay Gould, Ontogeny and Phylogeny

While Gould may have been loathe to admit it, he had to have known that that interpretation of natural selection was something that Darwin, himself, endorsed and cited and, so, supported in the beginning of and all through the book The Descent of Man and in virtually every letter he wrote to Haeckel and in further statements, a relationship that was noted and elaborated on by his son Francis Darwin, as I've documented here (as I recall I did that in the link I gave concerning Haeckel, here the other day).

The idiot of Teaneck is invincibly ignorant, exactly like a Trump anti-vaxxer white-collar Q-dolt.  They're just invincibly ignorant concerning different things. There's a lot of that over at Duncan's.  Smart people don't waste time doing that kind of stuff that many decades.  On that post from Kevin Drum's blog at Mother Jones, someone proposed that he and Duncan Black have a blog fight over self-driving cars, one of the comments pointed out it wouldn't happen because it would mean Duncan would have to put an effort into blogging, something he hasn't much done for the past sixteen years.  And his regulars are even bigger buffalo butts than he is.   Anyone who was interested in finding out the truth and learning new things left there long ago. It is a symptom of stupidity to hang out there. 

Being an idiot who has never navigated an idea in his life, he doesn't realize that the Jews weren't the ones who carried out the Holocaust, it was the Nazis who did it.  The Nazis are the only possible source of information as to what their motives were in doing it.   And, as I showed, exhaustively, they did.  The concept of invincible ignorance, the refusal to look at evidence and reasoned analysis of it is typical of modernism, I have come to believe, especially in its pop-culture decadent phase as is typical of those with college credentials today.

Saturday Night Radio Drama - Kurt Vonnegut - Slaughterhouse Five

 

I wasn't going to post this because it was made two years after Vonnegut's death, unlike the radio version of The Third Man posted last week.  I don't know if the author might have approved of a script or even the idea for this one, I assumed that Graham Green, still alive when his script was done on radio had approved it.  I looked at the statistics for it and it seems to have been one of the most popular things I've posted as Saturday Night Radio Drama.

So I decided to post it because as a drama, it works really well.  And it reminds me of what I said about the play last week.  The guy who posted it on Youtube says:

September 2009 BBC Radio 4 broadcast a feature length radio drama based on the book which was dramatised by Dave Sheasby and which starred/read by (my favourite actor) Andrew Scott as Billy Pilgrim and was scored by the group 65daysofstatic

The Size Of The Problem, The Only Available Means To Solve It, The Rejection Of Those Means By The Very People Who Claim To Want To Solve It

As perceptions of these kinds began to reverberate in me, I thought, as perhaps Poloanyi did after his encounter with Bukharin, that the questions and misgivings that had so forcefully presented themselves to me could be disposed of quickly, perhaps in a short, serious article.  I did in fact write a paper touching on many points mentioned here.  But gradually I began to see that certain quite fundamental questions had infected me more chronically than I had first perceived.  I shall probably never be rid of them.

There are many ways to state these basic questions as there are starting points for coping with them.  At bottom they are about nothing less than man's place in the universe.  But I am professionally trained only in computer science, which is to say (in all seriousness) that I am extremely poorly educated;  I can mount neither the competence, nor the courage, not even the chutzpah, to write on the grand scale actually demanded.  I therefore grapple with questions that couple more directly to the concerns I have expressed, and hope that their larger implications will emerge spontaneously.  I shall have to concern myself with the following kinds of questions:

1. What is it about the computer that has brought the view of man as a machine to a new level of plausibility?  Clearly there have been other machines that imitated man in various ways, e.g., steam shovels.  But not until the invention of the digital computer have there been machines that could perform intellectual functions of even modest scope; i.e., machines that could in any sense be said to be intelligent.  Now "artificial intelligence" (AI) is a discipline of computer science.  This new field will have to be discussed.  Ultimately a line dividing human and machine intelligence must be drawn.  If there is no such line, then advocates of computerized psychotherapy may be merely heralds of an age in which man has finally been recognized as nothing but a clock-work.  Then the consequences of such a reality would need urgently to be divined and contemplated.  

I can tell you what made me originally take up this then already decades old book and re-read it and write about it here, it was a news report about the Pentagon program for giving attack drones the "independence" to "decide" to fire on a target "it had identified" as a legitimate target for attack without human decision making being involved and that there were already computer scientists here, in Britain and certainly elsewhere who were working on just such systems.  If it was their faith that such "artificial intelligence" would be more accurate in making that deadly calculation as it would be in deriving the square root of a number inconveniently large for a person to get it with paper and a pencil, that line that Joseph Weizenbaum had feared had already been crossed.  I had every reason to think that to the computer scientists who would contemplate working on that system and to the generals and colonels and contractors who were in on it with them a house or village that could be targeted by their "artificial intelligence" on our behalf were no more significant than a pallet of cheap watches or alarm clocks to a shipping company.  Less so since such a shipment was bound to have had insurance bought to cover its loss.  Of course, in modern warfare, in modern thought, in which people are considered material objects, the fact that people are routinely reduced to that by such cost-benefit analysis had always been treated in that way.  

But that view of human beings didn't originate on the day that the first person did what even Descartes didn't dare to do, consider human beings as soulless mechanisms of the kind Descartes had no qualms about reducing animals to, it had always been the way that men had treated women, slave-holders had treated slaves, kings had treated subjects and human beings habitually treat the other unless something like the Mosaic Law tells them it is the will of God that they treat them as they would like to be treated themselves.  

In pointing out someone as generally sympathetic to the substance of the expression of that principle, that you should do to others as you would like to be treated, yourself, as Jesus put it, or even the form that Hillel said encompassed the entire Law as it is found in the negative form in Leviticus as Kevin Drum was driven by his atheistic-materialistic ideology to advance the mindset that would allow for that degraded view of life and human minds, I was, in fact, choosing to show how the two points of view are not compatible.  You cannot believe in free will and material determinism, the actual ideology of virtually every modern atheists, including those who claim for themselves the status of "free thinkers."  You cannot both claim that human beings are soulless objects which are temporarily animate but and have a right to not only the concern but also the right to share in the material wealth hoarded by others - if there is anything that the secular left is supposed to be based in, it is such a sharing of resources on a more equal basis than has ever existed, excepting in a few religious communities in human history.  The entire program of the left, certainly that of religiously based liberals in the traditional American meaning of that word (NOT the general British or European liberalism which is saturated with expectations of gross inequality), and the claims of socialism as leading to the general commonwealth are entirely incompatible with the view that human beings are much more than mere material objects.

As Weizenbaum and Polanyi and others have pointed out the consequences of a materialistic view of human beings must lead to the general degredation of human minds and everything that human minds produce, in the fullness of time including all intellectual activity and its products.  I think in the denial of reality, the distinction of truth from lies that has ripened in the Trump and Boris Johnson regimes, in every dictatorship in all of time, is a mere variation on what is not uncommonly held by academic materialist ideologues, many scientists, many in philosophy, including Daniel Dennett - a younger Dennett being one of those thanked in the credits of the book by Weizenbaum, and most absurdly in the eliminative positivists and most disturbingly in the atheist replacement for morality such as the various utilitarians who seem to have above all else in common, their readiness to draw up lists of who among the totally innocent and undangerous it's OK to kill and when it's OK to kill them. 

It may have not been one of his intentions in sounding the alarm but for me one of the things I concluded by reading this book, among others, is that the decadence that was part of the modernism that had its start in the work of Francis Bacon and Rene Descartes in which the entirety of human experience was seen in terms of its utility and the possibilities of an enhanced use of it by considering everything in terms of mathematical analysis, had reached a stage that that insane enthusiast for the resulting violent, decadence that leads to, Nietzsche, would see his predictions routinely fulfilled in everyday life.  

It is an ultimate rejection of the view of life that is set out in the Jewish doctrine of universal and equal justice and the Christian ethic of universal and equal love, the real alternative to oppression and inequality of which democracy is merely an imperfect attempt to secure, something which, itself, depends on the choice for justice and love above the stupid and self-defeating arrogance of choosing a mechanistic view of human beings and life, in general.  That is the choice, though it is certain that those ideas, that we are to do justice equally and to love are not exclusively found in the scriptures and traditions of the monotheistic religions that developed from the Mosaic Law - even Exodus, even the quite dreadful Joshua says that God has covenental relationships with other people.  

But any hope of making it dominant in an effective way will be through those larger repositories of it, the ones who hold that it is transcendentally true and modest enough to admit that their traditions of practicing or even understanding of it is highly imperfect and in need of a prophetic level of criticism have any prospect of making that happen on a sufficiently large scale.  It simply won't happen through any modern-day, rationalistic or scientific or materialistic idiocy which can't even navigate the incompatibility of material determinism and the consequent impossibility of free thought.  It won't happen through the discredited and fictitious sciences such as Marxism or certainly the allegedly scientific interpretations of socialism, of which some of the most murderous modernistic regimes have been the real life expression of and which the atheist-secular left in the Western democracies have championed even as they opted not to live in their various atheist paradises but in the "decadent" West.  Not that I would accuse those Western democracies of nearly intending to live up to their claimed ideals, as Jefferson, Madison and others in the United States showed, despite their claims, they had no intention of giving up treating human beings as objects of utility, pleasure and utter disposability.   If anything, the power of that ancient and yet modern opposition to the Mosaic tradition is powerful enough to distort the very religions that should have given them up thousands of years ago.

" If, as appeared to be the case, the public's attributions are wildly misconceived, then public decisions are bound to be misguided and often wrong."

Another widespread, and to me surprising reaction to the ELIZA program was the spread of a belief that it demonstrated a general solution to the problem of a computer understanding of natural language.  In my paper, I had tried to say that no general solution to the problem was possible, i.e., that language is understood on in contextual frameworks, that even these can be shared by people to only a limited extent, and that consequently even people are not embodiments of any such general solution.  But these conclusions were often ignored.  In any case, ELIZA was such a small and simple step.  Its contribution was, if any at all, only to vividly underline what many others had long ago discovered, namely, the importance of context in language understanding.  The subsequent, much more elegant, and surely more important work of Winograd in computer comprehension of English is currently being misinterpreted just as ELIZA was.  The reaction to ELIZA showed me more vividly than anything I had seen hitherto the enormously exaggerated attributions of an even well-educated audience is capable of making, even strives to make, to a technology it does not understand.  Surely, I thought, decisions made by the general public about emergent technologies depend much more on what that public attributes to such technologies than on what they actually are or an or cannot do.  If, as appeared to be the case, the public's attributions are wildly misconceived, then public decisions are bound to be misguided and often wrong.  Difficult questions arise out of these observations; what, for example, are the scientist's responsibilities with respect to making his work public?  And to whom (or what) is the scientist responsible? 

I rather wish I had a "machine read" copy of Weizenbaum's book as I did the article by Carl Sagan, in which he made a number of these mistakes because it would prove what Weizenbaum said here.  Though I'm not sure it would be less work to copy, paste, justify lines, delete ad-copy, etc. to use it.  

While I'm typing this the spell check on Blogger clearly hasn't got the ability to understand that there is a plural of  embodiment.  And, I know from experience, that no matter how many times I acquaint the machine with that plural, it's not going to learn it the way even a relatively unintelligent person would, by exposure to the sound of it.  You have to either come up with an algorithm to make the machine do that - in which case it's merely following a program which is of your intelligent creation, or, more simply, acting to insert the plural form into the dictionary that human beings have also embedded in the program.  It doesn't understand what it's doing anymore than an alarm clock understands the time it keeps or the implications of it in a wider context.*

Among other things re-reading and typing out this passage reminds me of it is the claims of an ideological materialist-atheist, AI fan-boy who is sophisticated enough to also be a critic of the present day claims of "artificial intelligence" made by his fellow journalists, Kevin Drum at Mother Jones magazine.  As he writes about many things it is clear he is ideologically dedicated by his materialism and atheism to intelligence in machines, the Neo-Pygmaleonism of humanly created minds.  I suspect motivated by the naive belief that if human beings can intelligently design a mind, that would negate the possibility of God intelligently creating them when they will ignore the fact that they have merely shown that with the practice of intelligent design - in this case copying some superficial aspects of minds in biologically living beings - people can create something they can believe is like that.  It will have reinforced the idea that intelligent design is required to do that, not negated it.**

I have recently pointed out that atheist-materialists of a scientistic bent aren't the most philosophically sophisticated people, something which Drum has demonstrated before.  I strongly suspect what the more sophisticated atheist Joseph Weizenbaum was frustrated by was the typical English language university grad being a philosophical novice. 

This piece from 2017, criticizing a once popular secular-lefty blogger I have also had issues with (though I agree with him, over Drum, that self-driving cars are a dangerous billionaire corporatist fantasy) Drum insists that it's coming "whether you like it or not." 

 
Atrios today:

    Self-Checkouts

    Those still a thing? I mean, I know they are, but around me the 3 major supermarkets within walking distance got rid of them….Anyway, I know they still exist, but I do think our robot future is not quite as inevitable as people think. Worrying about the impact of future automation on jobs seems to be a cool tech away of ignoring the current fucked and bullshit jobs situation. And, yes, automation has been going on for decades, which is actually my point. There’s nothing new about it, and I don’t know why people think there will be this sudden automation discontinuity. The robots have been here for awhile, and they aren’t really going away, but that doesn’t mean the sci-fi dystopian workless future is just around the corner. Shit is fucked up and bullshit enough without worrying about things which haven’t happened yet, and likely won’t.

It really doesn’t matter if artificial intelligence is distracting us from whatever you think the “real” problem is. It’s coming anyway. The speed of the AI revolution depends solely on fundamental factors (mostly continued reductions in the cost of parallel computing power) and the level of interest in AI software development. The fundamental factors are obviously still barreling ahead, and it sure looks like the free market has a ton of interest too:

I've used self-checkout and it ain't AI, it's using a machine to make the customer do the work of checking themselves out at a grocery store - as my sister pointed out, not giving her a discount for the labor and thought she puts into the process.  The only "intelligence" in the process is that engaged in creating the software and hardware and the intelligence of the person checking themselves out.   To use an analogy I've used when addressing Kevin Drum's claims before, the "intelligence" in the machine is the record of human thinking recorded in a form that is easily called up in an automated fashion, it's no more an example of machine intelligence than an old fashioned library card catalogue or a book index, a rolodex or an alphabetized list.  If you gave a customer a printed out list of prices of specific items with code numbers, they could, if they were suckers enough to do that much work, accomplish the same thing over a much longer time period the old fashioned way.  Of course, the store owner would never do that because it follows an honors system - though I've known of people who ran a farm vegetable stand on one quite successfully.  I have a great nephew who does something similar.  His price list and coin box is nothing anyone would call "artificial intelligence."   Like a paper list the machinery doesn't understand any of it anymore than the paper of the cards or pages or the wood of the drawers or the cardboard of a notebook would.  The meaning of it requires human recognition and interpretation of semiotic symbols invented by and learned by human beings.  As I pointed out back then, Drum was so wowed by the rather banal "accomplishments" of computers that he didn't even notice that the thing didn't really answer his questions, why erasers are so often pink and why his mother said she wouldn't trust an eraser that wasn't pink.  It answered an historical question of when pink was introduced as a color for erasers by a widely used brand of eraser, it didn't tell why they chose that color - the actual pink of the eraser being the product of artificial dyes, not the iron oxide found in the pumice used in them.  Why they used pink, he could have only gotten that from the people who made that choice. 

Yet, as a dedicated materialist and atheist,  Kevin Drum MUST hold an elevated view of the machine - and in his case, because he is someone of intelligence and sophistication, it's in the typical materialist form a a promissory note "guaranteed" to be paid in some future because he knows it ain't here today - because it demotes the mind of the human to a material manifestation in accord with his ideological foundations, even as he is clever enough to see problems with the even more naive faith in "AI" that sees it all around where even he knows it doesn't exist. 

*  I will again recommend Clifford Simack's short-story "Skirmish" in which aliens instill a knowledge of autonomy into even non-electric machines and the start of the war they wage against their human oppressors.  I have not, though, looked up the idiot psychologist who, as I recall, ranked a number of machines on their IQ, as I recall he gave an alarm clock an IQ of 5.  I would dare say that the majority of psychologists who believe that IQ is valid are pretty primitive materialists with a degraded view of human intelligence based in a 19th century mechanistic view of reality.

** A point I made over a renewed claim in the atheist fashionable 00's when it was claimed that artificial DNA that they could get to "reproduce itself" was in the news.  To the claims that it refuted a divine creation of life, along with pointing out that DNA wasn't an organism that could "reproduce itself" but a molecule that it took external chemistry to "self-replicate" I made the even more basic observation that since the experiment was saturated, from start to finish with intelligent design, that they have more proven that it could be a requirement for even the relatively banal accomplishment of getting fake DNA to "replicate-itself" and that it would be logically coherent for someone promoting intelligent design to claim that supported their belief.  Though I pointed out there was no way to use science to address the possibility that God created the first life on Earth because there was absolutely no evidence of that event available for study.  I love messing with their very real minds about that because they inevitably never consider the implications of what they are claiming. 


Update:  It is impossible for human beings to conduct an experiment that would "prove" that intelligent design wasn't necessary to produce the result their experiment did because there is no possibility of there being an experiment which doesn't contain intelligent design as a component.  I would go farther and say that any scenario, any scheme, any mechanism that human beings could theorize or conjecture to "prove" such a non-need for intelligent design would have to explain how they could know that their invented scenario or theory could be known to be possible without the intelligence they exercised in coming up with it.  I'd certainly pick at their claims of having done that on that basis and I'll bet there would be more than one thread that could be pulled that would take their defense of their claim apart, though I'd have to see what they were claiming in that regard before I'd claim that as a definite attribute of such a claim.  Unlike most ideological atheists of my experience and reading, I'm not so stupid as to think I could possibly address all possible cases and come up with a universal rule that would govern all cases. 

That is one of the reasons, and only one, that the entire "science" of abiogenesis is scientific superstition, one of many such atheist-originated and motivated branches of science.  Science is as open to ideological manipulation as scientists allow it to be at any given time, and they've left that barn door wide open.



Thursday, May 27, 2021

Out Of This Till July At Least

I CAN DO ONLY  so much to correct mistaken ideas presenting valid evidence and reasonable arguments, it's not within my power to correct the choice for invincible ignorance, what the play-left shares with the Trump right.*  So I'm done doing that for the rest of the month.  He's representative of the anti-Christian bigots that flourished in the mid-brow, college-credentialed milieu in which we both got credentialed.  Some of us chose to keep learning and found out not everything we were led to believe was true.  Some of us seem to have stopped learning at about the age of 12.  Or maybe it's more a question of emotional non-development.   The two seem to go together  more often than mere coincidence could explain.  Or maybe one is the cause of the other.

Here's a simple definition that the simplest mind might get:

invincible ignorance -- the fallacy of insisting on the legitimacy of one's position in the face of contradictory facts. Statements like "I really don't care what the experts say; no one is going to convince me that I'm wrong"; "nothing you say is going to change my mind"; "yeah, okay, whatever!" are examples of this fallacy.

Didn't Expect To Come Across This After Writing About The Issue In Passing

IT'S NO SURPRISE TO ME that 60 Minute's Leslie Stahl would do a piece of right-wing accomodating anti-transgender pseudo-sciency stuff.  I slammed her for "scientifically" claiming that the LG in LGBTQ are genetically programmed to follow stereotypes of us in 2006.  The bottle-blond bigot's been at it a long time.

That program is a real mixed bag, those magazine shows generally are.  Leslie would seem to be in the bag for right-wing LGBTQ bashing .

Transgender people are one of us, I say as a gay man, though as the several I know are beloved members of families led by straight parents, they're one of all of us.

Hate Mail

 UNLESS YOU ARE CALLING the Jewish Virtual Library "antisemitic," you have no right to accuse me of that.  The Jewish Virtual Library being WHAT I CITED in pointing out that the most authoritative record of the Wannsee Conference GAVE NATURAL SELECTION AS THE REASON FOR WIPING OUT JEWS AT THE MEETING WHERE THEY PLANNED THE "FINAL SOLUTION" you really should face the fact that throughout the Nazi record it was given as the motivation for, not only the genocides against Jews but to the mandatory sterilization of "mixed race" people (also discussed in the minutes of the Wannsee conference) and the other genocides, mass murders and forced sterilizations the Nazis carried out.  

Natural selection is exactly what "Darwinism" is.  It is what the word meant since about 1860 when Darwin's main English disciple, Thomas Huxley used the word to mean exactly that, a word which, before then, referred to Erasmus Darwin's theories of evolution but which were eclipsed by that of his grandson. 

Since the minutes were taken by Reinhard Heydrich's aid,  none other than another major figure in carrying out the genocide, Adolf Eichmann,* one of too few who were tried and executed for crimes against humanity, in minutes that were copied and distributed to the other planners of the genocide and to others that high up in the Nazi government AND THERE IS NO RECORD OF ANY OF THE DISAGREEING ON THAT POINT it has to be taken as among the primary motivations of why they did it.   

Contrary to the claim that "Christian antisemitism" had any role in it, there is no mention of religion in the document at all, except for this passage:

The number of Jews given here for foreign countries includes, however, only those Jews who still adhere to the Jewish faith, since some countries still do not have a definition of the term "Jew" according to racial principles.

Which would clearly support the contention that the Nazis didn't consider questions of religion, they, in fact, murdered a number of Christians for being Jews, such as St. Edith Stein.  For them, especially as a large number of them rejected religion and, especially Christianity, it was a question of "race," racial competition in a "struggle for life" and exactly in the same terms that Darwin presented as natural selection.  I've been through this over and over again, showing how in their propaganda the Nazis used examples directly from Darwin's writing to promote their racist eugenic ideology, I've presented examples from the infamous textbook by Fischer, Baur and Lenz which we know Hitler and Hess had and read while they were in jail after the beer hall putsch, I've presented the too little studied and condemned collaboration of people like Karl Pearson and Leonard Darwin with Nazi scientists, including at least one of that trio, Pearson providing arguments for the alleged danger of Russian and Polish Jews in Western European countries which were used in that book that informed Hitler and Hess and other Nazis and claiming that enormous progress was the product of a Darwinian race war.  And I've presented the precedents for all of that from the very hand of Charles Darwin and in his colleagues whose point of view he supported as representing his own thoughts Francis Galton's (Pearson's teacher and patron) and, most importantly for that connection, Ernst Haeckel (over many, many posts I've written on that connection and the current campaign to rehabilitate the proto-Nazi Haeckel flowing from a dishonest Darwinist from the University of Chicago).  

I will apologize for so many links to what I've written, though they are a small sample of the posts I've done on this topic, I do so to prove that before I say anything about it I look at the primary documentation and if I rarely have to resort to secondary documents, such as I had to when I wrote about Wilhelm Schallmeyer, I note that and apologize for it. 

I can't say that doing that research was at all pleasant or gratifying or, for that matter, what I expected to find when I started looking into these questions. I started out believing the post WWII lie, which I learned in high school and after, was true.  But look into it I did and I have presented what I found in exhaustive detail, with full primary documentation, from the words of the people themselves AND NOT IN SECOND, THIRD AND FOURTH HAND IDEOLOGICAL LIES, such as Darwin's champions typically traffic in.  They have to because the primary documentation proves their post-WWII lie that he had no connection to the crimes of the Nazis is exactly that, a lie, something which I found absolutely no one before WWII claimed INCLUDING HIS OWN SON LEONARD DARWIN.  On the eve of the war starting in 1939, he, himself linked his father's work to the then German government's eugenics programs about as strongly as anyone could, citing another link through Wilhelm Schallmeyer and Alfred Ploetz (see the link above).   

* As to Adolf Eichmann's religious orientation, I found this interesting old article about a Canadian evangelical minister who tried to save his soul even as he said he thought Eichmann should hang for what he did.

 "Jewish Fables." Canadian-born Evangelist Hull, 62, seems oddly matched to his spiritual charge. A former Winnipeg salesman on the Manitoba grain exchange, Hull received "a very real personal call from God to move to Jerusalem" while attending services one night at Winnipeg's Zion Apostolic Church. He settled down in Palestine in 1935, following his ordination to the ministry. A strong believer in Israeli independence, Hull has long enjoyed the favor of Israel's government, and after Eichmann's conviction Hull offered his services as a spiritual counselor. Eichmann, who had been brought up in Austria's Evangelical Church, refused at first, agreed to one meeting on the advice of Lawyer Robert Servatius, and now seems to welcome Hull's visits.

To bring Eichmann to the point where "God can reach his heart," Hull has tried to make Eichmann see that God's judgment of his soul is more important than the Israeli court's judgment of his body. At their first conference last month, Hull asked Eichmann to turn in his Bible to a text in Ecclesiastes. Eichmann hesitated. "Isn't that in the Old Testament?" he asked. When Hull said it was, Eichmann answered: "I won't read it. I don't believe in Jewish stories and fables." Patiently, Hull explained: "I've laid out a plan of study for you to consider that your soul might be saved, and if you don't follow the plan I can't help you. The Bible is one book. Both Old and New Testaments were written by Jews, and our early church was composed of Jews." Eichmann thought for a moment, then turned to the chapter.

A Nazi God. Eichmann so far seems to have accepted the idea that he has a soul that will be judged by God, and that this soul can be saved before death. But he obstinately insists that as a helpless tool of Adolf Hitler he was not fully responsible for his crimes, does not yet agree with Hull that faith in Christ is the way to salvation, speaks of a creator that Hull feels is a Nazi God of power and force, not a God of love. "So far we are not talking about the same God," says Hull.

No, I don't imagine they were no matter how inconvenient that is for your bigotry.  I don't know much about whatever is known about the religious opinions of Heydrich except I will note that the Jewish Virtual Library says he got his antisemitism from his areligious father and school mates, not from his religious mother. 

Since someone wanted me to comment on a current obsession of his, I have no idea who Demi Lovato is and have no opinion about that.  Nor do I care that he's obsessed with trans people.  I would imagine the Nazis wouldn't like them either, as the Republican-fascists don't.

Update:  Looking through my notes, I found a mention of this which certainly isn't atypical of the mindset of the high ranking Nazis, Heinrich Himmler, talking about what he said at Heydrich's funeral:

We will have to deal with Christianity in a tougher way than hitherto. We must settle accounts with this Christianity, this greatest of plagues that could have happened to us in our history, which has weakened us in every conflict. If our generation does not do it then it would I think drag on for a long time. We must overcome it within ourselves. Today at Heydrich's funeral I intentionally expressed in my oration from my deepest conviction a belief in God, a belief in fate, in the ancient one as I called him—that is the old Germanic word: Wralda. We shall once again have to find a new scale of values for our people: the scale of the macrocosm and the microcosm, the starry sky above us and the world in us, the world that we see in the microscope. The essence of these megalomaniacs, these Christians who talk of men ruling this world, must stop and be put back in its proper proportion. Man is nothing special at all. He is an insignificant part of this earth. If a big thunderstorm comes, he can do nothing about it. He cannot even predict it. He has no idea how a fly is constructed—however unpleasant, it is a miracle—or how a blossom is constructed. He must once again look with deep reverence into this world. Then he will acquire the right sense of proportion about what is above us, about how we are woven into this cycle.

Then, on a different plane, something else must happen: we must once again be rooted in our ancestors and grandchildren, in this eternal chain and eternal sequence. [ . . . ] By rooting our people in a deep ideological awareness of ancestors and grandchildren we must once more persuade them that they must have sons. We can do a very great deal. But everything that we do must be justifiable vis-à-vis the clan, our ancestors. If we do not secure this moral foundation which is the deepest and best because the most natural, we will not be able to overcome Christianity on this plane and create the Germanic Reich which will be a blessing for the earth. That is our mission as a nation on this earth. For thousands of years it has been the mission of this blond race to rule the earth and again and again to bring it happiness and culture.

This Problem Which Joseph Weizenbaum Identified More Than Forty Years Ago Is Extremely Dangerous Today

JOSEPH WEIZENBAUM continues:

I was startled to see how quickly and how deeply people conversing with DOCTOR became emotionally involved with the computer and how unequivocally they anthropomorphized it.  Once my secretary, who had watched me work on the program for many months and therefore knew it to be merely a computer program, started conversing with it.  After only a few interchanges with it, she asked me to leave the room.  Another time, I suggested I might rig the system so that I could examine all the conversations anyone had had with it, say, overnight.  I was promptly bombarded with accusations that what I proposed amounted to spying on people's most intimate thoughts; clear evidence that people were conversing with the computer as if it were a person who could be appropriately and usefully addressed in intimate terms.  I knew of course that people form all sorts of emotional bonds to machines, for example, to musical instruments, motorcycles and cars.  And I knew from long experience that the strong emotional ties many programmers have to their machines.  What I had not realized is that extremely short exposures to a relatively simple computer program could induce powerful delusional thinking in quite normal people.  This insight led me to attach new importance to questions of the relationship between the individual and the computer and hence to resolve to think about them.

The first thing that struck me about this was the demand for privacy from his secretary and the outrage that Weizenbaum mused about collecting the "interactions" people had with his computer program to see what could be learned from those.  I couldn't help but remember the idiotic outrage that people had when they learned that the NSA was collecting the most minimal of data on online communications, not even the content of the things people had willingly put online, voluntarily and sent to other destinations over the WORLD WIDE WEB as if there is any such thing as a securely private communication over such a thing.  Did they expect their computers to keep their intimate secrets, secrets they had opted to share, in many cases presumably with people they had never actually so much as seen?  For all they knew they could have been sending them to cleverly programmed computers, as indeed, they do whenever they surrender personal information as required to access a program or to buy something online.  

As if the computers were going to honor their right to privacy and not share it with other computers going through countries with no legal rights to privacy recognized, through other networks controlled by gangster dictators and perhaps as bad and in some cases worse gangster mobs, corporations. 

The Edward Snowden crimes, the actions and writing of his collaborators like Glenn Greenwald and the many in the media and on the stupider part of what gets called "the left" and the stunning, superstitious and ignorant naivety of all of them taught me an enormous lesson of the kind that Weizenbaum described here.  What he records in 1975 is not only well advanced in coming true, it's obviously the non-reality of a very, very large segment of the educationally credentialed population, especially those on the alleged left who, by dint of their innocent faith in machine integrity and intelligence, are suckers of the most pathetic kind.  Just notice how sometime in the coming weeks or months Edward Snowden, a man who certainly handed over everything he had to both the Chinese and Putin governments to save his ass from being extradited to the United States is going to be treated like some kind of a hero on the idiot lefty news sources, especially the secular ones.  

The emotional attachment to machines is a problem but the faith people have in them and the consequences of using computers on the internet, the readiness to be controlled by them without the beginning of a realistic view of what's happening is here and now. 

This problem which Joseph Weizenbaum talked about more than forty years ago is extremely dangerous, the manipulation of the gullible, the malleable, the stupid while being college-credentialed and others has become a very serious and fatal disease for democratic governance.  In case you wonder why I consider his book so important.  

Wednesday, May 26, 2021

Forgot I'd Said That - Another Found Object On Memory Lane

Saturday, May 4, 2013

Answer Given During a Blog Brawl Elsewhere

James Randi maintains his cult through his "Educational" Foundation, which seems to be dedicated mostly to covering up his many sins.  It's the Scientology of the Scientistic, Randi the El Ron Hubbard of his hucksterism.   He is the Ayn Rand of his own Randians, frequently they're anal Randians.  He's the Lyndon Larouche of his lied to and louche lair of louts.

"Among its many other uses, machine intelligence can help illuminate the ancient philosophical debate on free wUl and determinism' - Hate Mail

YESTERDAY IN AN UPDATE to my first post commenting on Joseph Weizenbaum's introduction to his book (which I hope people will read as it is more important than ever) Computer Power And Human Reason, I said:

Update:  I should point out, in regard to the point about very young children attributing human minds to dolls and teddy bears, that Weizenbaum may have been unintentionally prophetic in his use of the character from Shaw's Pygmalion.  The play given the name from the classical story of the sculptor who fell in love with one of the statues he carved.  In that story, as I recall, it took divine power to bring the statue to life, not human agency.   Something that atheists fervently believe is within human power.   I have come increasingly to consider atheism as typical of many a superficial mind.   

To which the most persistently OCD troll of my blog and me said:

 Seriously -- raise your hand if you ever met anybody, let alone an atheist, who believed they could bring a statue to life from sheer power of will.

Bueller? BUELLER????

While I'm aware of there being an old movie with a character named that, it was made in the period after I pretty much gave up watching movies so I've never seen it, no doubt something the typical blog-rat pseudo-lefty will see as a fatal defect in my education.  So I don't get that.  However, as the atheist whose viewpoint I am advocating, Weizenbaum mentioned that article, In Praise Of Robots by the celebrity atheist-public-scientist Carl Sagan (who wasn't yet a celebrity when he wrote the article), that is exactly what he was doing in the article, even his more informed view of robots in the mid 1970s was that that feat, of human beings making what from his 19th century-style materialist, atheist ideological point of view were living beings.  That's obvious from what he said and, especially the language he used to say it. Note, I have opted to copy and paste the text from the "Full Text" "machine read" version at Archive dot org, but to edit out the ad-copy that the "machine intelligence" didn't know to remove from Sagan's text (the "machine intelligence" not knowing what any of it meant), however, I have kept the typos from the "machine intelligence" to give a flavor of it since my troll is always holding my typos and lapses of editing against me among his audience of his fellow mid-brow, blog-rat, atheist-materialists.   Note the clever use of 1970s style quasi-lefty academic political cant he uses for audience persuasion, it makes me feel all nostalgic again. Though I remember the 70s quite well and they sucked.

The word "robot," first introduced in the 1920s by the Czech writer Karel Capek, is derived from the Slavic root for "worker." But it signifies a machine rather than a human worker. Robots, especially robots in space, have lately been getting a bad press. We have read that a human being was necessary to make the terminal landing adjustments on Apollo 11, without which the first manned lunar landing would have ended in disaster; that a mobile robot on the lunar surface could never have been so clever as the astronauts in selecting samples to be returned to earth- bound geologists; and that machines could never have repaired, as men did, the sunshade that was so vital for the continuance of the Skylab missions.

All these comments turn out, naturally enough, to have been written by humans. I wonder if a small self-congratulatory element, a whiff of human chauvinism, has not crept into these judgments. Just as whites can sometimes detect racism and men can occasionally discern sexism, I wonder whether we cannot here glimpse some comparable affliction of the human spirit— a disease that as yet has no name. The word "humanism" has been preempted by other and more benign activities of mankind. From the analogy with sexism and racism I suppose the name for this malady could be "speciesism"— the prejudice that there are no beings so fine, so capable, and so reUable as human beings. 


I have to break in here and point out Sagan's dishonest use of some very legitimate mid-70s political morality in regard to how people treat other PEOPLE to try to persuade his audience to extend the habits of thought and feeling to humanly constructed machines.  Something which it is easy enough to gull people into doing.  I remember one of her Miss Manners columns in which the wonderful Judith Martin told such a confused reader that it was perfectly OK to hang up on a robo-caller without saying anything because courtesy wasn't something a human being owed to an unconscious object.   Something which a materialist like Sagan wouldn't twig onto because they figure human beings are objects of the same kind as a robo-call machine programmed to lie to or swindle the unwary. 

I remember the first couple of times I heard the very charismatic Carl Sagan, I think it was on the old, still science program NOVA, and being fascinated by him as he talked about his area of expertise, planetary astronomy and physics.  Then I heard him on other things and he seemed utterly banal and predictable as he recited the tropes of pop cultural conceptions of things like history and philosophy.  I watched some of his Cosmos series and I did, actually, get that he laid out his intentions at the start as he declared that "The Cosmos is all that there is and all that there ever will be," his intention then as in this article was to promote his 19th century materialism to an audience using show biz-ad agency persuasive tactics and some science, too.  I quickly grew to find Sagan extremely annoying and tedious and I hadn't yet figured out that materialism was an ideology that leads inevitably to something like Nietzschean decadence.

This is a prejudice because it is, at the very least, a prejudgment— a conclusion drawn before all the facts are in. Such comparisons of men and machines in space are comparisons of smart men with dumb machines. We have not asked what sorts of machines could have been built for the thirty or so bil-hon dollars that the Apollo and Skylab missions together cost.

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Another sign of the intellectual accomplishments of machines is found in games. Even exceptionally simple computers— those that can be wired by a bright ten-year-old— can be programmed to play perfect tic-tac-toe. One computer has played master-class checkers— it has beaten the Connecticut state champion. Chess is a much more difficult game than tic-tac-toe or checkers. Here, programming a machine to win is not easy, and novel strategies have been used, including several successful attempts to have a computer learn from its own experience in playing previous chess games. For example, computers can learn empirically that it is better in the beginning game to control the center of the chess board than the periphery.

So far no computer has become a chess master; the ten best chess players in the world have nothing to fear from any present machine. But several computers have played well enough to be ranked somewhere in the middle range of serious, tournament- playing chess players. I have heard machines demeaned (often with a just audible sigh of rehef) because chess is an area in which human beings are still superior. This reminds me of the old joke in which a stranger remarks with wonder on the accomplishments of a checker-playing dog, whose owner replies, "Oh it's not all that remarkable. He loses two games out of three." A machine that plays chess in the middle range of human expertise is a very capable machine; even if there are thousands of better human chess players, there are millions of worse ones. To play chess requires a great deal of strategy and foresight, analytical powers, the ability to cross-correlate large numbers of variables and to learn from experience. These are excellent quaUties not only for individuals whose job it is to discover and explore but also for those who watch the baby and walk the dog.

Chess-playing computers, because they have very complex programs, and because, to some extent, they learn from experience, are sometimes unpredictable. Occasionally they perform in a way that their programmers would never have anticipated. Some philosophers have argued for free will in human beings on the basis of our sometimes unpredictable behavior. But the case of the chess-playing computer clearly tells us that, when viewed from the outside, behavior may be unpredictable only because it is the result of a complex although entirely determined set of steps on the inside. Among its many other uses, machine intelligence can help illuminate the ancient philosophical debate on free wUl and determinism. 

Someone, get back to me when a computer, unprompted by their programming chooses to play a game of checkers when another computer so unprompted suggests playing one. Here I won't again go into the story of the greatest checker player yet, the late Dr. Marion Tinsley when he played a game against the then most sophisticated checker's program. 
 

With this more or less representative set of examples of the state of development of machine intelligence, I think it is clear that a major effort over the next decade, involving substantial investments of money, could produce much more sophisticated programs. I hope that the inventors of such machines and programs will become generally recognized as the consummate artists they are. [there you go, computer programmers as life-creating Pygmaleons]

In thinking about the next generation of machine intelligence, it is important to distinguish between self-controlled and remotely controlled robots. A self-controlled robot has its intelligence within itself; a remotely controlled robot has its intelligence located someplace else, and its successful operation depends upon successful communication between its external central computer and itself. There are, of course, intermediate cases in which the machine may be partly self-activated and partly remotely controlled. The mix of remote and in situ control seems to offer the highest efficiency for the near future.

I would note that even as the atheist-materialist Sagan bestows the status of thinking individuals on to man-created machines, elsewhere in the article he discusses their utility and their disposability.  I doubt it occurred to him that if you could both hold that computers were doing what people can do, think and act independently but still consider them in terms of utility and disposability to those who control them, not noting that to treat a thinking being as such is immoral, there is no step at all different between thinking that's OK with machines that it's also OK with the people whose own intelligence and existence can be, as well subject to external control.  Though in the case of human beings, it's not in the control of their maker but in other human beings.  It's subtle and would probably escape someone as shallow as my most constant troll, but his use of the question of free will is directly relevant to that consequence of Sagan's materialist faith.

I doubt that occurred to him because I don't think very highly of Sagan as a philosophical thinker, though I'm sure he read some pop versions of some selected authors or at least descriptions of what they wrote - generally his philosophical knowledge is like what you could get today from reading about it at Wikipedia, though I suspect his source was what was published by the atheists' version of Regnery. "Prometheus publishing"  and, maybe Bertrand Russell's History of Western Philosophy with a few popular treatments of Buddhism and Hinduism thrown in [Oh, yes, and Taoism, I just remembered, Taoism was very trendy just then].   In every way Joseph Weizenbaum was a far smarter, far deeper thinker, one who was capable of understanding just what he and his fellow computer scientists were doing and the danger of people like Sagan making ridiculous claims about it. 

Update:  I have never hesitated to praise atheists who are honest and rigorous thinkers and admirable people.  I wouldn't be surprised if the self-admitted ideological materialist Richard Lewontin was up there with Walter Brueggemann and Marilynne Robinson in frequency of citation and praise here.  Lewontin is someone who I have never had any reason to doubt as to whether or not they had actually read the philosophical figures he cites.

Tuesday, May 25, 2021

Big Deal

THE OPINION OF THE RUMP Eschaton community which hasn't been what it was since circa 2006, matters not the least to me in 2021.  They are typical of middle-brow, college-credentialed numb nuts who probably never looked up a reference in their lives.  She should change her name to "Donc je suis un idiot."

I figure anyone who thinks anything that gets said there is of any importance probably fits into that category.  I can't say that even the bad opinion of the handful of those I once respected would much concern me.  I mean, if they're still wasting time among the ones who spend all day, every day there going on decades I suspect I thought too well of them out of charity.  Duncan will probably end up voting for Republicans, he's a libertarian at heart.   What little of that there is. 

''National Socialism is nothing but applied biology.''

Rudolph Hess 1934 when he was Hitler's second in command, the man to whom he dictated Mein Kampf.

 And here is one of my even less cheerful proofs that Hess was not the only one who based their Nazism on natural selection. 

Monday, November 23, 2015

They will have to be dealt with appropriately, because otherwise, by natural selection, they would form the germ cell of a new Jewish revival.

In re-reading what I wrote this morning, I saw a mistake in one thing I said, I said that Natural Selection had never been used to recommend the murder of the Irish, that was not true because among the 11 million European Jews the Nazis planned on murdering the Jewish citizens of Ireland were among them.  Jewish-Irish being citizens of Ireland are as Irish as anyone whose name begins with an Mc.

In response to comments.

That Natural Selection was part of the thinking of the Nazis as they planned their genocide is undeniable as it was mentioned in the minutes to the Wannsee conference by Reinhard Heydrich, specifically in relation to the genocide of the Jews.  From the Jewish Virtual Library

One of Heydrich's subordinates, Adolf Eichmann, took minutes, thirty copies of which were evidently distributed among the participants and other interested parties in the following weeks. The only surviving copy, marked No. 16 out of 30, was found in March 1947 among German Foreign Office files by American War Crimes investigators. After that discovery, the minutes, or "Wannsee Protocol," rapidly attained postwar notoriety.

The document's resonance derived above all from the coldly bureaucratic clarity with which it articulated a pan-European plan of genocide. The minutes are summary rather than verbatim, so we cannot be sure of all that was said, but the principal element of the conference was evidently Heydrich's lengthy exposition of past, present, and future policies. Some parts of the minutes were shrouded in euphemism, as when Heydrich discussed what the Protocol refers to as "new possibilities in the East." A table slated 11 million European Jews, listed by country, for inclusion in these "possibilities." Because of such euphemisms, Holocaust deniers among others have claimed that murder was not on the agenda, but elsewhere the Protocol is unequivocal:

In large, single-sex labor columns, Jews fit to work will work their way eastwards constructing roads. Doubtless the large majority will be eliminated by natural causes. Any final remnant that survives will doubtless consist of the most resistant elements. They will have to be dealt with appropriately, because otherwise, by natural selection, they would form the germ cell of a new Jewish revival.

Update:  I learned at Eschaton that dishonesty may as well be called "stupidity" because all of the dishonest things said there were as stupid as the dishonesty on FOX or on Paul Harvey's show.  And there was lots of it, especially from Simels.  It continued because the owner of the site couldn't be bothered with something as insignificant as the truth.  Lies are the functional equivalent of stupidity because they lead away from reality. 

"this conception denied altogether any intrinsic power of thought and thus denied any grounds for claiming freedom of thought."

THIS NEW LOOK AT the introduction of the late Joseph Weizenbaum's 1975 book Computer Power and Human Reason  goes over material I went over in May 2013.  Some of the resources I would have liked to have then weren't available to me and, in terms of studying and thinking about the problems I dealt with then a lot or water has gone under the bridge.  I will comment on the same things Weizenbaum wrote but the comments will not be the same, in some ways they will be far more vehement in their rejection of the materialism that I was merely skeptical of as a social and intellectual influence then.  I have come to believe that it is one of if not the central component of the degeneracy of human culture and behavior.  I will be breaking into the text to point out and comment on points I see as even more important now than I did then. 

Introduction

In 1935 Michael Polanyi,  then holder of the Chair of Physical Chemistry at Victoria University of Manchester,  England, was suddenly shocked into a confrontation with philosophical questions that have ever since dominated his life.  The shock was administered by Nicolai Bukharin,  one of the leading theoreticians of the Russian Communist party,  who told Polanyi that "under socialism the conception of science pursued for its own sake would disappear, for the interests of scientists would spontaneously turn to the problems of the current Five Year Plan."  Polanyi sensed then that "the scientific outlook appeared to have produced a mechanical conception of man and history in which there was no place for science itself."  And further that "this conception denied altogether any intrinsic power of thought and thus denied any grounds for claiming freedom of thought."
 

It was gratifying to see that not only such brilliant thinkers as Michael Polanyi and Joseph Weizenbaum had seen something I've pointed out repeatedly, that a materialististic-scientistic ideological orientation is certainly inconsistent with taking any mental activity on the part of human beings as being of transcendent significance - certainly not in that extra-scientific activity of discerning truth - but in the actually more banal activity of doing science and having the results have any claim to being more than the product of the particular brain chemistry of the scientists doing it, which could only find truth on no more than on the odds of such chemistry being gathered by chance in any one locus, such as a scientist's brain affords.   I would guess that the chances against such a peculiar congregation of chemicals acting under the operation of human memory and judgement would tend to obscure the chances of finding truth at least by as much as they might help toward that goal but, certainly, the presence of such happy coincidences would add newer vectors into the equations and may tend to diminish the probability of truth than to enhance it.  It is ironic that such a materialist who would like to grant some power to human judgement would only be providing someone with the ability to point out they were resorting to arguments of intelligent design in the process of creation and diminishing the role of those gods of atheist contingency "probability" and "random chance" to a considerable degree. 

I would go a lot farther than I did then in attributing to that kind of thinking the general degeneration in a sense of the morality of telling the truth as opposed to telling lies.  I would, of course, have been radicalized by witnessing the subsequent experience of the United States and other countries falling into a "post-truth" mode of thought, noting that the example used by Weizenbaum, Nicolai Bukharin,  one of the leading theoreticians of the Russian Communist party, only indicates how much earlier the reign of a regime of lies followed from a self-intended scientific regime gaining power and reducing the product of science to a tool of the intentions of the Communist Party, something also done by other materialists in the same decade in Germany, though in that case the 19th century science followed was the Darwinist ideology of natural selection.  I would probably not have dared to make the connection between that view of science and the vulgar materialist's, Donald Trump's and his Republican goons' treatment of science.    

I don't know how much time Polanyi thought he would devote to developing an argument for a contrary concept of man and history.  His very shock testifies to the fact that he was in profound disagreement with Bukharin,  therefore that he already conceived of man differently,  even if he could not then give explicit form to his concept.  It may be that he determined to write a counterargument in Bukharin's position,  drawing only on his own experience as a scientist, and to have done with it in short order.  As it turned out,  however, the confrontation with philosophy triggered by Bukharin's revelation was to demand Polanyi's entire attention from then to the present day [c1975]

I recite this bit of history for two reasons.  The first is to illustrate that ideas which seem at first glance to be obvious and simple, and which ought therefore to be universally credible once they have been articulated,  are sometimes buoys marking out stormy channels in deep intellectual seas.  That science is creative, that the creative act in science is equivalent to the creative act in art, that creation springs only from autonomous individuals, as such a simple and, one might think, obvious idea.  Yet Polyani has, as have many others, spent nearly a lifetime exploring, the ground in which it is anchored and the turbulent sea of implications which surrounds it.

What both Polyani and Weizenbaum were confronting was far larger and deeper than that, it was one important but relatively small area in which the implications of materialism and scientism and the habits of thought that those ideologies have generated and which has become a tidal wave in human culture came back to bite science.  Weizenbaum correctly notes that science is a creative act, AN ACT OF CREATION, it is the creation of a human explanation - unfortunately, especially in the life sciences the creation of humanly convincing narratives - which are only as legitimate as, have only the right to be held as important as the minds that are creating them.   And both materialism and scientism as ideologies are corrosive of the belief that our minds are capable of producing that legitimacy and significance and importance.  The implications of that which are the most dangerous are those within large scale, organized human activities, government, business, industry, etc. in which governments and corporations, legal fictions invented by people to multiply human power and potency and in the ultimate in such loose organization, human societies and the human population as a whole.   Without the sense of morality - which materialism destroys and scientism inevitably corrodes - that allows us to hold that the truth is superior to lies, that rights are real and inherent to all people and animals, that the continuation of life on Earth is entirely more important than the profits of industry and the wealth of billionaires, the thing which Polanyi was so disturbed by comes to complete expression in all too real reality.
 

The second reason I recite this history is that I feel myself to be reliving part of it.  My own shock was administered not by any important political figures espousing his philosophy of science, but by some people who insisted on misinterpreting a piece of work I had done.  I write this without bitterness and certainly not in a defensive mood  Indeed, the interpretations I have in mind tended, if anything, to overrate what little I had accomplished and certainly its importance.  No, I recall that piece of work now only because it seems to me to provide the most parsimonious way of identifying the issues I mean to discuss.   

The work was done in the period 1964-1966, and was reported in the computer-science literature in January 1966 and August 1967.  To summarize it briefly,  I composed a computer program with which one could "converse" in English.  The human conversationalist partner would type his portion of the conversation on a typewriter connected to a computer, and the computer, under control of my program, would analyze the message that had so been transmitted to it,  compose a response to it in English, and cause the response to be typed on the computer's typewriter.


I chose the name ELIZA for the language analysis program because, like the Eliza of Pygmalion fame,  it could be taught to "speak" increasingly well.  Because the conversations must about something, that is, because they must take place within some context,  the program was constructed in a two-tiered arrangement, the first tier consisting of the language analyzer and the second of a script.  The script is a set of rules rather like those that might be given to an actor who is to use them to improvise around a certain theme.  Thus ELIZA could be given a script to enable it to maintain a conversation about cooking eggs or about managing a bank checking account,  and so on.  Each specific script thus enabled ELIZA to play a specific conversational role.

For my first experiment, I gave ELIZA a script designed to permit it to play ( and I should realy say parody) the role of a Rogerian psychotherapist engaged in an initial interview with a patient.  The Rogerian psychotherapist is relatively easy to imitate because much of his technique consists of drawing his patient out by reflecting the patients statements back to him.  The following conversation between a young lady ELIZA playing doctor illustrates both the Rogerian technique of encouraging a patient to keep talking and the operation of a computer program ELIZA .  The first to "speak" is the young lady.  The computer's responses are printed entirely in capitals

Men are all like that
IN WHAT WAY
They're always bugging us about something or other.
CAN YOU THINK OF A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE
Well, my boyfriend made me come here.
YOUR BOYFRIEND MADE YOU COME HERE
He says I'm depressed much of the time.
I'M SORRY TO HEAR YOU ARE DEPRESSED....

In 2013 I didn't appreciate the importance of it being Weizenbaum's decision to use the academic superstition of psychology for his experiment in computer programming and why the reaction to his lab trick (I don't think he'd see it as much more significant than programming a computer to play tic-tac-toe) by not only psychologists but a materialistic-scientistic ideologue who would become famous for his TV appearances in the next two decades.   That he chose Rogerian therapy, a product of the "Humanistic Psychology" that was a professional reaction against the absurdity of Freudianism and the hard-line materialist-scientism of the then reigning and about to be overthrown Behaviorist school is ironic.   Having played with some of the online ELIZA implementations, given how easy it is to get them to spit out really hilarious and silly stuff, it feels like it should be astounding that people with PhDs were so easily gulled into taking its content seriously.  But I think their responses were both professionally interested, in the case of the psychology guys and purely ideological in Carl Sagan who was, even the following year, becoming one of the founders of the atheist ideological promotion and cover op,  CSICOP.  He, due to his specialty in planetary science, was also one of the more culpable bystanders in the one and only scientific investigation incompetently done by them, the central dishonesty of which he certainly understood but did nothing much to either correct or expose in the interest of honesty and scientific integrity.  In the demotion of truth which was already well underway, his role in that scandal never did much to diminish his star power.

... DOCTOR, as ELIZA playing psychiatrist came to be known, soon becoming famous around the Massachusetts Institute of Technology,  where it first came into existence, mainly because it was an easy program to demonstrate.  Most other programs could not vividly demonstrate the information-processing power of a computer to visitors who did not already have some specialized knowledge, say of some branch of mathematics.  DOCTOR, on the other hand, could be appreciated on some level by anyone.  Its power as a demonstration vehicle was further enhanced by the fact that the visitor could actually participate in its operation.  Soon copies of DOCTOR, constructed on the basis of my published description of it,  began appearing at other institutions in the United States.  The program became nationally known and even, in certain circles, a national plaything.

The shocks I experience as DOCTOR became widely known and "played" were due principally to three distinct events.

1.  A number of practicing psychiatrists seriously believed the DOCTOR computer program could grow into a nearly completely automatic form of psychotherapy.  Colby et al.* write, for example,

"Further work must be done before the program will be ready for clinical use.  If the method proves beneficial,  then it would provide a therapeutic took which can be made widely available to mental hospitals and psychiatric centers suffering a shortage of therapists.  Because of the time-sharing capabilities of modern and future computers, several hundred patients an hour could be handled by a computer system designed for this purpose.  The human therapist, involved in the design and operation of this system, would not be replaced, but would become a much more efficient man since his efforts would no longer be limited to the one-to-one patient-therapist ration as now exists."

I had thought it essential, as a prerequisite to the very possibility that one person might help another learn to cope with his emotional problems, that the helper himself participate in the other's experience of those problems and, in large part by way of his own sympathetic recognition of them, himself come to understand them.  There are undoubtedly many techniques to facilitate the therapist's imaginative projection into the patient's inner life.  But that it was possible for even one practicing psychiatrist to advocate that this crucial component of therapeutic process could be entirely supplanted by pure technique - that I had not imagined!  What must a psychiatrist who makes such a suggestion think he is doing while treating a patient,  that he can view the simplest mechanical parody of a single interviewing technique as having captured anything of the essence of a human encounter?  Perhaps Colby et al. give us the required clue when they write;

"A human therapist can be viewed as an information processor and decision maker with a set of decision rules which are closely linked to short-range and long-range goals, ... He is guided in these decisions by rough empiric rules telling him what is appropriate to say and not to say in certain contexts.  To incorporate these processes, to the degree possessed by a human therapist, in the program would be a considerable undertaking but we are attempting to move in this direction."

What can a psychiatrist's image of his patient be when he sees himself, as therapist, not as an engaged human being acting as a healer, but as an information processor following rules, etc."

Such questions were my awakening to what Polany had earlier called a "scientific outlook that appeared to have produced a mechanical conception of man."  

* Nor is Dr. Colby alone in his enthusiasm for computer administered psychotherapy.   Dr. Carl Sagan, the astrophysicist, recently commented on ELIZA in Natural History, vol. LXXXIV,  "No such computer program is adequate for psychiatric use today, but the same can be remarked about some human psychotherapists.  In a period when more and more people in our society seem to be in need of psychiatric counseling, and when time sharing of computers is widespread,  I can imagine the development of a network of computer psychotherapeutic terminals, something like arrays of large telephone booths, in which, for a few dollars a session, we would be able to talk with an attentive, tested and largely non-directive psychotherapist." 

It is striking how the branch of science that purports to deal most directly with human minds had such a simplistic, mechanistic and weak conception of what they do as to be tricked into thinking the ELIZA bot was something like what they did.  I suspect they were not among the more effective therapists of their generation.

Among the things I didn't have access to in 2013 is the copy of Natural History so I could read Sagan's entire article, that is now available in PDF and other formats at Archive dot org.  The article is remarkable in the banality of its claims, using the typically naive and simplistic common received understanding of "The Turing Test" as if it were a real indication that human made machines could achieve intelligent thought, any thought, really.  It has long been one of the annoyances of materialists that they could not deal with the human experience of consciousness, thought, freedom, etc. so they have always sought to demote the experience to the action of molecules - I believe the concept of an atom as the ultimate reality was created for that purpose, taken as a replacement for explanation of the experience of consciousness, it has certainly had that use.  Not to make the mistake of conceiving of the original definition of atoms for what modern atomic theory talks about.  Those original atoms were taken as being the smallest things and indivisible.  Now ever smaller theorized bits of matter smaller than nothing exists take that place in ideological use of science.

The Archive reproduction of the journal he made his claims for machine intelligence for includes a far better test than the one Turing in his epic naivety and epic genius is popularly believed to have set in stone for all time.  The machine read "Full Text" of the printed page - certainly at that vintage originally entered by human hands into a type setting machine, going through human editing and human review, not to mention however Sagan got his words down on paper.   The "Full Text" really means full text of the page, in which all of the advertisement texts are interspersed in the machine generated stream of letters and spaces and breaks, the machine not being capable of distinguishing between Sagan and the ad agency generated stuff - sales pitches sufficiently different in semiotic significance for a human mind to discern but not for even today's generation of computers.  And you will find many places in even Sagan's text in which the machine was unable to discern letters and combinations of letters for what they were, which humans attempting to navigate it can, rather easily figure out due to them doing what the machine certainly does not, understanding the meaning of what is there to be observed.  

Even a better programmed computer that might, someday, (not something that is at all likely) have a program that can distinguish between the text of Sagan and a copy scribbler will be doing what the machine does now.   Just as any more convincing program that can gull people into thinking its talking to them and understanding them will be doing the same thing that Weizenbaum's ELIZA spewing computer did.   They no more can understand what the significance of the words on the page is anymore than someone who didn't know an alphabet could understand the difference, though I would bet that the person could be taught to read it and they would immediately be able to tell the difference.  Just as they would be able to do something that a computer can't do, want to play a game and decide whether or not they were going to.

One of the selling points of materialistic-scientistic-atheism is the claim derived from a superficial and pop account of Laplace's alleged answer to Napoleon, that he had "no need of God" to explain his physics and the claim that there is "no need" to resort to God in science today.  That, of course, leaves out the fact that science being a human invention and the product of humanly agreed to rules of the game made the decision to leave out any questions concerning God and religion and other things that were not directly relevant to finding the limited things about the physical world that science was invented to find.   I rather like Eddington's point when he observed that essentially the same act is done in business accounting for purposes of tidiness.  Though it is a complete misunderstanding of science to try to use it for any ideological purpose that has been one of the more popular activities of scientists, especially from the 19th century till today. The untidiness of thought which that leads to is, actually, one of the more fascinating and rather completely uninvestigated areas of scientific culture.

I have pointed out that what people like these psychologists and Carl Sagan did and their ideological and scientific descendants still do is to recreate the habits of very young children who believe that their model human beings and animals, dolls and teddy bears, have interior lives.  Computers were machines made to mimic some limited aspects of human minds, they were created most successfully in doing some of the most defined activities of minds, making calculations,  "playing" highly structured games, etc.  Yet it has been a fact that from even before there were actual computers people were already attributing actual thinking to machines made to mimic thinking, as can be seen by Sagan's use of that other trope of pop culture, the origin of the word "Robot."   It is a defect in the habits of materialism, the insistence of demoting human thought, the thinking of animals, to the level of material interactions that leads them to think that machines can think.  It is their arrogant conceit that they are doing something just brilliant and brave when what they are doing is reverting to a habit of toddlerhood that most 8 year olds would disdain in nervous and embarrassed recollection of the folly of their youth.  Yet such people hold enormous sway in modern,scientific, technological culture. And they have not produced anything that is an effective counter to the more vulgar materialists with whom they not only have so much in common but who they have helped empower with their demotion of morality.  


Update:  I should point out, in regard to the point about very young children attributing human minds to dolls and teddy bears, that Weizenbaum may have been unintentionally prophetic in his use of the character from Shaw's Pygmalion.  The play given the name from the classical story of the sculptor who fell in love with one of the statues he carved.  In that story, as I recall, it took divine power to bring the statue to life, not human agency.   Something that atheists fervently believe is within human power.   I have come increasingly to consider atheism as typical of many a superficial mind.