June Christy's husband, Bob Cooper played tenor sax on this recording. No more blues.
Friday, February 7, 2014
Conte Candoli and Lee Morgan Bye Bye Blues
June Christy's husband, Bob Cooper played tenor sax on this recording. No more blues.
Wendy Waldman Vaudeville Man
What's going through my head today. For some reason I've been kind of mopey, wondering what life would have been like if I'd done more performing than teaching. Only, I've got to remember how much I hated sleeping in strange places. Not that there's not some of that hand to mouth and mouth to hand stuff in any musician's life.
Someone tell me to snap out of it.
Update: Wendy Waldman's site and store. Support the musicians and you support the music.
Thursday, February 6, 2014
Thou Shalt Not Aspire To Something Higher
Just out of curiosity, I decided to read through one of the books of poetry by Katharine Lee Bates, choosing the first one listed in a bibliography, The Beautiful College and Other Poems
xv.
Pageant of fretted roofs that cluster
On hill and knoll in the branches green,
Ye are but shadow, and not the lustre,
Garment ye of a grace unseen.
XVI.
All our life is confused with fable,
Ever the fact as the phantasy seems :
Yet the world of spirit lies sure and stable,
Under the shows of the world of dreams.
XVII.
Not an idle and false derision
The rocks that crumble, the stars that fail ;
Meaning masketh within the vision,
Shaping the folds of the woven veil.
Can you imagine anyone saying that about their college education today?
The language is archaic, we might find the sentiments embarrassing, naive and foolish - though I think that's more from the studied and fashionable cynicism we were raised in than any fault with the soundness of it as an aspiration. After looking at Burroughs' preposterous crap that is praised by the academics today, if I've got to live in a confused fable, I'd buy hers over his, anyday.
Update: Just noticed that I put the adjective in the wrong place, her book is called "The College Beautiful", something that is so unnatural for us today that I didn't even realize I was doing that. I'll leave it as it is to make the point.
xv.
Pageant of fretted roofs that cluster
On hill and knoll in the branches green,
Ye are but shadow, and not the lustre,
Garment ye of a grace unseen.
XVI.
All our life is confused with fable,
Ever the fact as the phantasy seems :
Yet the world of spirit lies sure and stable,
Under the shows of the world of dreams.
XVII.
Not an idle and false derision
The rocks that crumble, the stars that fail ;
Meaning masketh within the vision,
Shaping the folds of the woven veil.
Can you imagine anyone saying that about their college education today?
The language is archaic, we might find the sentiments embarrassing, naive and foolish - though I think that's more from the studied and fashionable cynicism we were raised in than any fault with the soundness of it as an aspiration. After looking at Burroughs' preposterous crap that is praised by the academics today, if I've got to live in a confused fable, I'd buy hers over his, anyday.
Update: Just noticed that I put the adjective in the wrong place, her book is called "The College Beautiful", something that is so unnatural for us today that I didn't even realize I was doing that. I'll leave it as it is to make the point.
Rush Limbaugh Would Absolutely Hate To Live in Katharine Lee Bates America The Beautiful
Hating football and everything associated with it, I'd not even known the American Imperial Religion's most holy day was last Sunday until I turned on the news and they mentioned it. I missed the robo-Rush indignation over a multilingual rendition of America the Beautiful sung in a Coke ad. Others picked it up and pointed out that the author of what should be the national anthem was a Christian socialist, a feminist, a lesbian and a serious academic, all things that Rush Limbaugh would have slammed her for were she alive and active today. I can only imagine what he'd have done to her for writing this
Children Of The War
SHRUNKEN little bodies, pallid baby faces,
Eyes of staring terror, innocence defiled,
Tiny bones that strew the sand of silent places,
— This upon our own star where Jesus was a child.
Broken buds of April, is there any garden
Where they yet may blossom, comforted of sun,
While their sad Creator bows to ask their pardon
For the life He gave them, life and death in one?
Spared by steel and hunger, still shall horror blazon
Those white and tender spirits with anguish unforgot;
Half a century hence the haggard look shall gaze on
The outrage of a mother, shall see a grandsire shot.
Man who wings the azure, lassoes the hoof sparkling,
Fire-maned steeds of glory and binds them to his car,
Cannot man whose searchlight leaves no horizon darkling
Safeguard little children upon our golden star?
I was aware she'd written some travel narrative, though I'm not a fan of that genre and I'd read some of her poetry, which was, actually, not bad for a minor poet of an idiom that doesn't grab me.
What I hadn't known was that she was also a translator, in fact, she and her mother worked together on a translation from Spanish, Romantic legends of Spain
by Gustavo Adolfo Becquer. In the introduction of that book she showed that she would have probably gotten a kick out of having her most famous poem, in which she crowned her country's "good with brotherhood" sung in a number of languages. Describing her mother she said:
"Mrs. Cornelia Frances Bates (1826-1908), a graduate of Mount Holyoke in the days of Mary Lyon and the widow of a Congregational minister, took up the study of Spanish at the age of seventy-one. Until her death ten years later, the proverbial ten years of "labor and sorrow," her Spanish readings and translations were a keen intellectual delight. Her Spanish Bible, from which she had committed many passages to memory, was found at her death no less worn than her English one. Even a few hours before dying, she repeated in Spanish, without the failure of a syllable, the Shepherd's Psalm and the Lord's Prayer."
I'll bet hearing her song in different languages would have brought a tear to her eye, in joy but also remembering her mother's devotion to the Spanish language. Though, from everything I can see, she'd never have approved of the venue in which it was sung.
There is everything for Rush Limbaugh and his fellow liars and hypocrites to hate in America the Beautiful, they hate beauty, they hate ideals, they hate the possibility of Bates ideals becoming actual, in life, in the life of the United States. Their careers have been dedicated to making millions of dollars by lying us out of making America her ideal of America. They worship America the horrible, concussed and brain damaged by their imperial, materialistic bigotry, an America that couldn't be farther from her song which they turn into a maudlin mockery of what she said.
America the Beautiful
O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed His grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!
O beautiful for pilgrim feet,
Whose stern, impassioned stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!
O beautiful for heroes proved
In liberating strife,
Who more than self their country loved,
And mercy more than life!
America! America!
May God thy gold refine,
Till all success be nobleness,
And every gain divine!
O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America!
God shed His grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!
Children Of The War
SHRUNKEN little bodies, pallid baby faces,
Eyes of staring terror, innocence defiled,
Tiny bones that strew the sand of silent places,
— This upon our own star where Jesus was a child.
Broken buds of April, is there any garden
Where they yet may blossom, comforted of sun,
While their sad Creator bows to ask their pardon
For the life He gave them, life and death in one?
Spared by steel and hunger, still shall horror blazon
Those white and tender spirits with anguish unforgot;
Half a century hence the haggard look shall gaze on
The outrage of a mother, shall see a grandsire shot.
Man who wings the azure, lassoes the hoof sparkling,
Fire-maned steeds of glory and binds them to his car,
Cannot man whose searchlight leaves no horizon darkling
Safeguard little children upon our golden star?
I was aware she'd written some travel narrative, though I'm not a fan of that genre and I'd read some of her poetry, which was, actually, not bad for a minor poet of an idiom that doesn't grab me.
What I hadn't known was that she was also a translator, in fact, she and her mother worked together on a translation from Spanish, Romantic legends of Spain
by Gustavo Adolfo Becquer. In the introduction of that book she showed that she would have probably gotten a kick out of having her most famous poem, in which she crowned her country's "good with brotherhood" sung in a number of languages. Describing her mother she said:
"Mrs. Cornelia Frances Bates (1826-1908), a graduate of Mount Holyoke in the days of Mary Lyon and the widow of a Congregational minister, took up the study of Spanish at the age of seventy-one. Until her death ten years later, the proverbial ten years of "labor and sorrow," her Spanish readings and translations were a keen intellectual delight. Her Spanish Bible, from which she had committed many passages to memory, was found at her death no less worn than her English one. Even a few hours before dying, she repeated in Spanish, without the failure of a syllable, the Shepherd's Psalm and the Lord's Prayer."
I'll bet hearing her song in different languages would have brought a tear to her eye, in joy but also remembering her mother's devotion to the Spanish language. Though, from everything I can see, she'd never have approved of the venue in which it was sung.
There is everything for Rush Limbaugh and his fellow liars and hypocrites to hate in America the Beautiful, they hate beauty, they hate ideals, they hate the possibility of Bates ideals becoming actual, in life, in the life of the United States. Their careers have been dedicated to making millions of dollars by lying us out of making America her ideal of America. They worship America the horrible, concussed and brain damaged by their imperial, materialistic bigotry, an America that couldn't be farther from her song which they turn into a maudlin mockery of what she said.
America the Beautiful
O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed His grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!
O beautiful for pilgrim feet,
Whose stern, impassioned stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!
O beautiful for heroes proved
In liberating strife,
Who more than self their country loved,
And mercy more than life!
America! America!
May God thy gold refine,
Till all success be nobleness,
And every gain divine!
O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America!
God shed His grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!
Wednesday, February 5, 2014
Bad Cold Bad Mood NPR Just Gushingly Told Me It's William Burroughs' Birthday
William Burroughs might not even be bad enough to be the worst American writer about whom any pretense is made of them being significant. He could be the model of bad writers replacing having anything to say, any ideas, any talent, anything worth reading with massively repulsive, cynical and stupid sensationalism. And when that isn't enough to insert some cheap chance, indeterminacy gimmick into the mix. I read some of the beats back when I was young enough to have time to waste. I don't have any of that anymore. Considering the music that was happening at the time, the alleged inspiration of lots of it, that stood up to time the writing, not. But, then, anyone can tap out or scribble out some words, music has to be done, even if you're drugged up, you've got to be able to do it.
Someone said about the abstract expressionists and their theory of expressing their inner, subconscious selves in their stuff, "Why would I want to see the inner life of a bunch of violent, alcoholic misogynists?" And most of them didn't end up murdering their wives. I'm hard put to think of anything the most superficial of them produced that was as truly bad as Naked Lunch, which I have a hard time believing that anyone has ever read in its entirety.
Someone said about the abstract expressionists and their theory of expressing their inner, subconscious selves in their stuff, "Why would I want to see the inner life of a bunch of violent, alcoholic misogynists?" And most of them didn't end up murdering their wives. I'm hard put to think of anything the most superficial of them produced that was as truly bad as Naked Lunch, which I have a hard time believing that anyone has ever read in its entirety.
Tuesday, February 4, 2014
Hristo Vitchev Quartet
Satnam
Hristo Vitchev - guitar
Weber Iago - piano
Dan Robbins - bass
Mike Shannon - drums.
Satnam
Hristo Vitchev - guitar
Weber Iago - piano
Dan Robbins - bass
Mike Shannon - drums.
Monday, February 3, 2014
Short And Bitter
Call me suspicious but I suspect that now researchers have identified a percentage of the DNA or Europeans and Asians is from Neanderthal ancestors, the popular image of dark-skinned, inarticulate brutes of little brain will get an update with lighter skin and increased intelligence. Perhaps that's already happening in the comment thread attached to the story at Salon. Africans' DNA apparently doesn't contain the Neanderthal genes and, again, call me suspicious, I think that many people will "discover" that's some kind of disadvantage. Oh, and our African ancestors, apparently were mating outside of what used to be called our "direct lineage" as recently as a couple of decades ago. Only this will all probably undergo extensive revision in the next few years. If I could find the book where the discussion is, not long ago the most sciency and up-to-date experts were telling us why we had no Neaderthal ancestry at all. Which was science as surely as this story is now.
One really, really discouraging aspect of the comments is that people are blithely tossing around assertions about IQ, stupidly making assumptions about what various percentages of Neanderthal DNA in living people means for their intelligence. Any group of people who still believe in IQ, something so entirely debunked that it's at flat-earth levels of intellectual validity, should be regarded as anti-intellectual as most of the same people consider the vast majority of humanity, on the basis of their "low IQ".
Also from Salon, evidence of why the Occupy movement may have fizzled in many places, remaining so far as I can see in a few places where they actually decided to do something other than "occupy" public parks.
Jesse Myerson, in a bid to be declared the mostest leftist with the most, writes Why you’re wrong about communism: 7 huge misconceptions about it (and capitalism)
The mishmash of old line Stalinist and Maoist tripe, the brand peddled by those living under the horrible hardship of those non-Communist countries in the United States and Europe, goes so far as to excuse some of the greatest genocides of the 20th century. Genocides, such as the famine in the Ukraine, that are now known to have been engineered and those under Mao caused by his applying his favored "Marxist" ideological faith from the vantage point of not knowing a single thing about how to produce food.
I remember the day that I was sitting there reading about one of Stalins' mass murders and suddenly realizing that those people were as murdered as the piles of corpses in the photos taken in Nazi death camps. To pretend otherwise is as serious a crime against humanity as Holocaust denial. It was the moment that the wool was taken off my eyes and I realized how much of what the pseudo-left peddled was as big a lie as what the neo-Nazis sold. I would never again dishonor the victims by sorting them into categories of greater and lesser crimes against humanity.
Myerson is an attention seeking jerk who should be booted out of any real left, his fans too. He will produce nothing except damage to the left, he will never be anything but a club for the fascists to wield against us as the old communists were in the last century. None of them ever produced a single thing, they, like their sworn enemies, the anarchists, are a complete and utter waste of time for the left. They are not even genuinely leftist, being solely devoted to their ideologies which do not have the real needs of real poor people as their primary goal. If Myerson was big in the Occupy stunt, it's no wonder it failed. It was doomed to.
One really, really discouraging aspect of the comments is that people are blithely tossing around assertions about IQ, stupidly making assumptions about what various percentages of Neanderthal DNA in living people means for their intelligence. Any group of people who still believe in IQ, something so entirely debunked that it's at flat-earth levels of intellectual validity, should be regarded as anti-intellectual as most of the same people consider the vast majority of humanity, on the basis of their "low IQ".
Also from Salon, evidence of why the Occupy movement may have fizzled in many places, remaining so far as I can see in a few places where they actually decided to do something other than "occupy" public parks.
Jesse Myerson, in a bid to be declared the mostest leftist with the most, writes Why you’re wrong about communism: 7 huge misconceptions about it (and capitalism)
The mishmash of old line Stalinist and Maoist tripe, the brand peddled by those living under the horrible hardship of those non-Communist countries in the United States and Europe, goes so far as to excuse some of the greatest genocides of the 20th century. Genocides, such as the famine in the Ukraine, that are now known to have been engineered and those under Mao caused by his applying his favored "Marxist" ideological faith from the vantage point of not knowing a single thing about how to produce food.
I remember the day that I was sitting there reading about one of Stalins' mass murders and suddenly realizing that those people were as murdered as the piles of corpses in the photos taken in Nazi death camps. To pretend otherwise is as serious a crime against humanity as Holocaust denial. It was the moment that the wool was taken off my eyes and I realized how much of what the pseudo-left peddled was as big a lie as what the neo-Nazis sold. I would never again dishonor the victims by sorting them into categories of greater and lesser crimes against humanity.
Myerson is an attention seeking jerk who should be booted out of any real left, his fans too. He will produce nothing except damage to the left, he will never be anything but a club for the fascists to wield against us as the old communists were in the last century. None of them ever produced a single thing, they, like their sworn enemies, the anarchists, are a complete and utter waste of time for the left. They are not even genuinely leftist, being solely devoted to their ideologies which do not have the real needs of real poor people as their primary goal. If Myerson was big in the Occupy stunt, it's no wonder it failed. It was doomed to.
Sunday, February 2, 2014
First I looked for Sheila Jordan videos and found one with her singing with the wonderful bassist, Gildas Boclé. Looking for Gildas Boclé videos, I found his trio with his brother, the wonderful vibes and keyboard player Jean Baptiste Boclé and the wonderful drummer Simon Bernier. Looking for more Gildas Boclé I found out about the wonderful and original guitarist, Nelson Veras. Looking for more Nelson Veras I've found out about the wonderful trumpet player Airelle Besson and a bunch of others who I'll probably be tracking down as well. None of whom I'd known of before this past month except Sheila Jordan.
When You Cough
Airelle Besson : tpt
Nelson Veras : gt
Hubert Dupont : b
Youssef Hbeisch : perc
When You Cough
Airelle Besson : tpt
Nelson Veras : gt
Hubert Dupont : b
Youssef Hbeisch : perc
Making Probability a creator god and The Menace Beneath The Charming Science Celebrity
Please note the important update in the post. It makes the point much more clearly. I will post a better revision of this later.
I almost didn't listen to Krista Tippett's program this morning when I heard Brian Greene was going to be on it. I find Greene almost as hard to take as I did Carl Sagan late in his career as Dr. Science. Though Greene hasn't become quite as annoyingly mannered and isn't yet surrounded by the kind of glamour Sagan and his publicity folks generated, he is as prone to those two sins of celebrity scientists, being unaware of the rather large leaps of presumption he makes and being rather prone to discussing things in absolute term for which he has no more intellectual qualification than any other non-specialist. You can add a third one, being naively unaware of the implications of what he is saying for him, his science and even for the ideological basis on which he is saying them.
I'll start here with the first of those because it was actually my entree into the brawl with materialism, free will. It arose out of a section of the conversation that got onto the fashionable idea that there are parallel universes being generated all the time, in some of the more extreme versions of this least parsimonious of all results of elevating probability mathematics into a creator god, whenever anything happens it generates entire universes that express all possible probabilistic calculations of alternative outcomes.
Dr. Greene: Right. We sit there, the math jumps out of the page, kind of grabs us by the lapel, slaps us in the face, and says, look at me. What this is telling you is there might be parallel universes. And we say, oh, that’s curious. Let’s think about that, investigate it. So that’s the typical rhythm of the way in which these ideas surface. This idea that you’re referring to comes out of quantum mechanics, which is this new way of describing the fundamental particles of nature that emerged in the early part of the 20th century. And the new idea is that you can only predict the probability of one outcome or another. Newton wouldn’t have said that. He would say tell me how things are and I’ll predict how they will be. Period. End of story. Quantum theory says, no, no, no. I can tell you there’s a 30% chance of this, 50% chance of that, 20% chance of that outcome over there. In fact, one of the proposals is that every outcome happens, they just happen in distinct realities in parallel universes.
Ms. Tippett: So somewhere, all of those possible outcomes were made manifests.
Dr. Greene: That’s right. So basically, any outcome allowed by the quantum laws of physics would see the light of day, but the light would be flowing through a different universe.
And if you don't believe that this kind of materialism has turned probability into a creator god, you may not be aware of these guys, who seem inevitably to be atheists who devote their lives in science to try to debunk most peoples' idea of a creator, have also calculated Boltzmann Brains into existence along with these other jillions of universes. And, as they make these improbable seeming products of their probabilistic god some kind of disembodied flesh, they also reject the idea that people possess free will. The evidence of that is where the conversation goes right after that.
Ms. Tippett: OK. So all of this science, um, without wanting to raises a lot of really basic philosophical — ancient philosophical questions about destiny and fate and choice. Do you — I understand that’s not what you’re studying and the mathematics doesn’t speak to that, directly...
Dr. Greene: Well, it sort of does. I mean, when you ask the question about choice, I presume you were indicating things like free will.
Ms. Tippett: Yeah.
Dr. Greene: And, you know, by no means would I say that we have got the be-all and end-all mathematical description of reality. We’re struggling to get there. But as a snapshot, if you look at the equations that we have today, there does not seem to be a place anywhere in those equations where you say, oh, OK, and here is where human free will comes in to how things are going to evolve. Right? There’s no term in the equations where that happens.
Ms. Tippett: OK. We’ll come back that (laughs). Um, I mean, so I keep — well, let me just do it. I keep thinking of another thing Einstein said, that science is good at describing what is, but it doesn’t describe what should be. And, there’s a way in which the way we’ve tended throughout human history to talk about something like free will or fate or destiny or choice or, you know, just the human condition, is in terms of what should be, what we can control. What life we create.
Dr. Greene: Right. So, we live our lives as if we do have control. And I think it’s the only way that you can live. You tell yourself this interesting, perhaps untrue, story that when you reach out for the glass, you’re making a choice to pick it up. And I do it, too. I sort of felt like I just picked that glass up because I made a choice. But fundamentally, I don’t think that I did.
But putting that to aside, yes, we feel we have control, we act as though we have control, and then Einstein’s quote comes into play, because once you have control, you can shape the future. And you can shape the future according to distinct values. And, yeah, I think that is the only way that we humans can live, at least, you know, in this epoch, you know, until we evolve to some other form. And sure there is no way to look to science to tell us how to shape things from some sense of value judgment.
[ Note: Please read the update below before continuing ]
Which is where this becomes, in the most certain of fact, extremely dangerous. A culture in which free will is not assumed in people is a very dangerous place to live. That is the real life lesson of the political history still within living memory, it was the basic assumption behind all of the great genocidal regimes of the 20th century, regardless of where they are placed on the imaginary line of political identity. In both fascistic regimes, especially the Nazi regime and the "Marxist" regimes, the devaluation of life into a manifestation of bio-chemistry is what allowed them to murder on an industrial scale. We have the writings of the theorists of those political regimes who the despotic establishments based their systems on. The consequences of those materialist views of human life provided no barriers to convenient depravity, in some cases depravity based on not even convenience but whimsy and paranoia. I won't spare the tender feelings of genteel atheists by lying about that for them, it is as much a denial of those genocides to deny the bases of them as it is for the actual results of them.
That is what the evidence available indicates you can expect when a mechanistic, materialistic definition is given to living beings and, especially for our purposes, human beings. Brian Greene's blithe unawareness of that implication of his denotation switcheroo, taming free will so it isn't a problem for his materialism, is astonishing considering that during the same program Greene has to admit that his area of science, the thing that his popular presentation of has made him famous, string theory, has no basis in evidence, whatsoever.
Audience member: Hi, Dr. Greene. What’s the best evidence we have for string theory right now? Some of the best and most credible evidence that you know of we have for string theory? Thanks.
Dr. Greene: Yeah. The evidence of string theory — that string theory is right, good. So other questions that you guys would like to (laughter). No, if you — so, the quick answer to your question is absolutely nothing. String theory is a completely mathematical undertaking, and at the moment, there’s no experiment that we can point to, which would say there is the evidence for this idea. And for that reason, string theory really should be called the string hypothesis. Theory in science is a very specific meaning. And string theory does not rise to that level, as yet. Now, having said that, let me just point out that we have tested quantum mechanics.
Greene then goes on to present the basis of his faith that if only there were ever any evidence that string theory will win out. What he doesn't say is that the same evidence produces other theories which students adopt largely based on which side of the country they go to school in and with which proponents of which theory their academic qualifications were gathered from. And there are people who look at the same evidence and they are string theory skeptics.
Compared to the speculations of these guys pass off as entirely respectable, and, remember, THEY were the ones who came up with Boltzmann brains, and the parallel universes are even more of a leap of faith, a faith which they've sold to large swaths of the so-called educated public, the lessons of 20th century history are real in every sense, more profoundly real, more absolutely and reliably real, in every sense real, as D. T. Suzuki may have put it.
As is generally the case in programs when celebrity scientists are the focus, much is made in the program about the cultural importance of science in modern life and while that is true it also points out the danger of refusing to value the greater and more rich truth of history. History is not based in speculations of what the probability god will do, it is based on what has become as real as it can possibly be, in the real lives of real beings. And if there's something obvious about those who service this god of probability, they are a jealous priesthood, one which will not grant real legitimacy to the work of any they see as rivals, secular or religious. And being arrogant, they dismiss, entirely even the entirely secular academic studies, such as history, which do, in fact, study reality in a much richer complexity, one which doesn't depend on massive layouts of public resources for giant super-colliders and massive research budgets. And even though that has been done for their faith, the project to confirm the sect Greene promotes would require a collider larger than the solar system, or so I read from some of the scientific skeptics of his faith.
When materialists go after free will, when they insist on reducing the mind to chemistry, they are playing with lives, real, actual lives and on the scale of millions if not more. And, as mentioned here yesterday, they insist on exempting their own thoughts from that view of thinking because it would make it impossible for their thoughts to be any more than a result of a chemical process, based on the particular chemistry present in their materialistic brains, not having the full range of possible chemical combinations available when they come up with their new arrangement of molecules. In fact, I would think that the probability of two of them coming up with the same idea, arrangement of molecules is infinitesimally small. Perhaps the idea that even two of these guys are talking about the same thing is an illusion and there aren't even two string theorists who are even talking about the same thing. No, wait, if there is something obvious about bio chemistry in a living being, no string theorist could hold the same idea for more than a short period of time before their brain chemistry altered the idea of string theory they articulated a few minutes before. And that is only a slight peek into the consequences of materialism for science, its ability to produce a reliable idea on the shifting sands of biochemistry under the operations of probability in living beings, oh, sorry, biological systems open to constant new inputs and the deaths of parts of the system. Recovering an idea in a form that was reliably consistent would seem to make science, as Greene and all other scientists imagine it, impossible.
UPDATE: I mixed up the sections of the interview while putting the edit I posted up. Here is the even more telling exchange about free will.
Audience member: Thank you, Dr. Greene. Thank you for all your work and the way it’s informing my guild. I’m a theologian. So I have two questions, really. I either did not understand or am not convinced or persuaded by your conversation about free will. Because it sounds as if your proposal situates us in a very deterministic universe. And that we are simply, in some sense, almost robots acting out of these general laws. And that there’s no novelty within this very, very complex and creative entity that we are as conscious beings. That’s my first.
Dr. Greene: So, yes, it is hard to accept (laughter). But I wouldn’t…
Audience member: So, can you say something…
Dr. Greene: ...I wouldn’t go as far as to say there’s no novelty. but yes, free will may go away.
Female three: So, free will, meaning choice. There’s no such thing as choice?
Dr. Greene: That’s right.
Audience member: I do not choose to love. I do not choose to extend myself. I don’t choose to live, to get back to Camus.
Dr. Greene: Well, it all depends on what you mean by choose. So, if by choose, you mean that you could have done otherwise, then I would say yes. But I would say that you need to redefine the meaning of the word choose. Choose is the sensation of choosing. Now it is the fact that the laws of physics were just playing themselves out, and that is fundamentally why you did what you did. But to choose is to have the sensation of making that choice. And we all have that sensation. And that is a definition which I think works well. It does require a little bit of rejiggering of your intuition to recognize that it may be the case that it — the laws of physics that are behind the scenes doing it all. But yes, that sensation of choice is real. And that’s what we should redefine free will to mean.
Audience member: Free will to…
Dr. Greene: Free will is the sensation of making the choice. Even though, behind the scenes, the laws of physics were pulling the strings (laughter).
Audience member: Thank you. I’m still not persuaded (laughter). My second question, though, has to do with positing the divine reality, which, you know, let’s use the God word. Why do you keep positing it above and beyond, since we in the theological guild are not doing that anymore?
Dr. Greene: Well if you use the word God to mean a being that is composed of the same stuff that we see in the world around us, governed by the same laws that that stuff is governed by, then God is a perfectly coherent and sensible idea. And if that’s what you mean by it, then we’re talking the same language. But if you mean what traditionally is meant by God, which is a being that can intercede, that can cause things to happen that are not governed by the laws of physics, then we are talking different languages.
And I should say I’m not saying that that idea is wrong. It may be right. It may be that God is behind it all. Maybe God set it all up and, you know, there’s some variations of these ideas where God sits back and lets it all play itself out. And that could well be what’s going on. What I really mean to say is not that the idea is wrong, but as a scientist, I find it profoundly uninteresting, because it gives me no new insight into any of the deep questions that we’ve been talking about here. Doesn’t help me calculate anything. Doesn’t help me gain some insight into these big mysteries. It simply takes one mystery and uses another three-letter-word to re-label that mystery. And that is why I don’t find it interesting. Not that it’s wrong, I don’t find it interesting.
This section shows just how intimately Greene's desire to debunk God is tied into his materialistic insistence on destroying the meaning of free will. It's hard to decide what is the more basic desideratum, insisting on the supremacy of materialism and so their professional prestige or destroying God. Those are the overriding motives, and they don't mind rather naively and ignorantly killing off free will and with astonishing insouciance, the possibility that thoughts can surpass the peculiar biochemistry that they insist on to achieve truth or their still cluelessly insisted on objectivity. You can't get an objective and universal result from the specific, particular and randomly incomplete components that go into that result. Certainly not one that someone with different antecedent components has to or even possibly could agree with.
I almost didn't listen to Krista Tippett's program this morning when I heard Brian Greene was going to be on it. I find Greene almost as hard to take as I did Carl Sagan late in his career as Dr. Science. Though Greene hasn't become quite as annoyingly mannered and isn't yet surrounded by the kind of glamour Sagan and his publicity folks generated, he is as prone to those two sins of celebrity scientists, being unaware of the rather large leaps of presumption he makes and being rather prone to discussing things in absolute term for which he has no more intellectual qualification than any other non-specialist. You can add a third one, being naively unaware of the implications of what he is saying for him, his science and even for the ideological basis on which he is saying them.
I'll start here with the first of those because it was actually my entree into the brawl with materialism, free will. It arose out of a section of the conversation that got onto the fashionable idea that there are parallel universes being generated all the time, in some of the more extreme versions of this least parsimonious of all results of elevating probability mathematics into a creator god, whenever anything happens it generates entire universes that express all possible probabilistic calculations of alternative outcomes.
Dr. Greene: Right. We sit there, the math jumps out of the page, kind of grabs us by the lapel, slaps us in the face, and says, look at me. What this is telling you is there might be parallel universes. And we say, oh, that’s curious. Let’s think about that, investigate it. So that’s the typical rhythm of the way in which these ideas surface. This idea that you’re referring to comes out of quantum mechanics, which is this new way of describing the fundamental particles of nature that emerged in the early part of the 20th century. And the new idea is that you can only predict the probability of one outcome or another. Newton wouldn’t have said that. He would say tell me how things are and I’ll predict how they will be. Period. End of story. Quantum theory says, no, no, no. I can tell you there’s a 30% chance of this, 50% chance of that, 20% chance of that outcome over there. In fact, one of the proposals is that every outcome happens, they just happen in distinct realities in parallel universes.
Ms. Tippett: So somewhere, all of those possible outcomes were made manifests.
Dr. Greene: That’s right. So basically, any outcome allowed by the quantum laws of physics would see the light of day, but the light would be flowing through a different universe.
And if you don't believe that this kind of materialism has turned probability into a creator god, you may not be aware of these guys, who seem inevitably to be atheists who devote their lives in science to try to debunk most peoples' idea of a creator, have also calculated Boltzmann Brains into existence along with these other jillions of universes. And, as they make these improbable seeming products of their probabilistic god some kind of disembodied flesh, they also reject the idea that people possess free will. The evidence of that is where the conversation goes right after that.
Ms. Tippett: OK. So all of this science, um, without wanting to raises a lot of really basic philosophical — ancient philosophical questions about destiny and fate and choice. Do you — I understand that’s not what you’re studying and the mathematics doesn’t speak to that, directly...
Dr. Greene: Well, it sort of does. I mean, when you ask the question about choice, I presume you were indicating things like free will.
Ms. Tippett: Yeah.
Dr. Greene: And, you know, by no means would I say that we have got the be-all and end-all mathematical description of reality. We’re struggling to get there. But as a snapshot, if you look at the equations that we have today, there does not seem to be a place anywhere in those equations where you say, oh, OK, and here is where human free will comes in to how things are going to evolve. Right? There’s no term in the equations where that happens.
Ms. Tippett: OK. We’ll come back that (laughs). Um, I mean, so I keep — well, let me just do it. I keep thinking of another thing Einstein said, that science is good at describing what is, but it doesn’t describe what should be. And, there’s a way in which the way we’ve tended throughout human history to talk about something like free will or fate or destiny or choice or, you know, just the human condition, is in terms of what should be, what we can control. What life we create.
Dr. Greene: Right. So, we live our lives as if we do have control. And I think it’s the only way that you can live. You tell yourself this interesting, perhaps untrue, story that when you reach out for the glass, you’re making a choice to pick it up. And I do it, too. I sort of felt like I just picked that glass up because I made a choice. But fundamentally, I don’t think that I did.
But putting that to aside, yes, we feel we have control, we act as though we have control, and then Einstein’s quote comes into play, because once you have control, you can shape the future. And you can shape the future according to distinct values. And, yeah, I think that is the only way that we humans can live, at least, you know, in this epoch, you know, until we evolve to some other form. And sure there is no way to look to science to tell us how to shape things from some sense of value judgment.
[ Note: Please read the update below before continuing ]
Which is where this becomes, in the most certain of fact, extremely dangerous. A culture in which free will is not assumed in people is a very dangerous place to live. That is the real life lesson of the political history still within living memory, it was the basic assumption behind all of the great genocidal regimes of the 20th century, regardless of where they are placed on the imaginary line of political identity. In both fascistic regimes, especially the Nazi regime and the "Marxist" regimes, the devaluation of life into a manifestation of bio-chemistry is what allowed them to murder on an industrial scale. We have the writings of the theorists of those political regimes who the despotic establishments based their systems on. The consequences of those materialist views of human life provided no barriers to convenient depravity, in some cases depravity based on not even convenience but whimsy and paranoia. I won't spare the tender feelings of genteel atheists by lying about that for them, it is as much a denial of those genocides to deny the bases of them as it is for the actual results of them.
That is what the evidence available indicates you can expect when a mechanistic, materialistic definition is given to living beings and, especially for our purposes, human beings. Brian Greene's blithe unawareness of that implication of his denotation switcheroo, taming free will so it isn't a problem for his materialism, is astonishing considering that during the same program Greene has to admit that his area of science, the thing that his popular presentation of has made him famous, string theory, has no basis in evidence, whatsoever.
Audience member: Hi, Dr. Greene. What’s the best evidence we have for string theory right now? Some of the best and most credible evidence that you know of we have for string theory? Thanks.
Dr. Greene: Yeah. The evidence of string theory — that string theory is right, good. So other questions that you guys would like to (laughter). No, if you — so, the quick answer to your question is absolutely nothing. String theory is a completely mathematical undertaking, and at the moment, there’s no experiment that we can point to, which would say there is the evidence for this idea. And for that reason, string theory really should be called the string hypothesis. Theory in science is a very specific meaning. And string theory does not rise to that level, as yet. Now, having said that, let me just point out that we have tested quantum mechanics.
Greene then goes on to present the basis of his faith that if only there were ever any evidence that string theory will win out. What he doesn't say is that the same evidence produces other theories which students adopt largely based on which side of the country they go to school in and with which proponents of which theory their academic qualifications were gathered from. And there are people who look at the same evidence and they are string theory skeptics.
Compared to the speculations of these guys pass off as entirely respectable, and, remember, THEY were the ones who came up with Boltzmann brains, and the parallel universes are even more of a leap of faith, a faith which they've sold to large swaths of the so-called educated public, the lessons of 20th century history are real in every sense, more profoundly real, more absolutely and reliably real, in every sense real, as D. T. Suzuki may have put it.
As is generally the case in programs when celebrity scientists are the focus, much is made in the program about the cultural importance of science in modern life and while that is true it also points out the danger of refusing to value the greater and more rich truth of history. History is not based in speculations of what the probability god will do, it is based on what has become as real as it can possibly be, in the real lives of real beings. And if there's something obvious about those who service this god of probability, they are a jealous priesthood, one which will not grant real legitimacy to the work of any they see as rivals, secular or religious. And being arrogant, they dismiss, entirely even the entirely secular academic studies, such as history, which do, in fact, study reality in a much richer complexity, one which doesn't depend on massive layouts of public resources for giant super-colliders and massive research budgets. And even though that has been done for their faith, the project to confirm the sect Greene promotes would require a collider larger than the solar system, or so I read from some of the scientific skeptics of his faith.
When materialists go after free will, when they insist on reducing the mind to chemistry, they are playing with lives, real, actual lives and on the scale of millions if not more. And, as mentioned here yesterday, they insist on exempting their own thoughts from that view of thinking because it would make it impossible for their thoughts to be any more than a result of a chemical process, based on the particular chemistry present in their materialistic brains, not having the full range of possible chemical combinations available when they come up with their new arrangement of molecules. In fact, I would think that the probability of two of them coming up with the same idea, arrangement of molecules is infinitesimally small. Perhaps the idea that even two of these guys are talking about the same thing is an illusion and there aren't even two string theorists who are even talking about the same thing. No, wait, if there is something obvious about bio chemistry in a living being, no string theorist could hold the same idea for more than a short period of time before their brain chemistry altered the idea of string theory they articulated a few minutes before. And that is only a slight peek into the consequences of materialism for science, its ability to produce a reliable idea on the shifting sands of biochemistry under the operations of probability in living beings, oh, sorry, biological systems open to constant new inputs and the deaths of parts of the system. Recovering an idea in a form that was reliably consistent would seem to make science, as Greene and all other scientists imagine it, impossible.
UPDATE: I mixed up the sections of the interview while putting the edit I posted up. Here is the even more telling exchange about free will.
Audience member: Thank you, Dr. Greene. Thank you for all your work and the way it’s informing my guild. I’m a theologian. So I have two questions, really. I either did not understand or am not convinced or persuaded by your conversation about free will. Because it sounds as if your proposal situates us in a very deterministic universe. And that we are simply, in some sense, almost robots acting out of these general laws. And that there’s no novelty within this very, very complex and creative entity that we are as conscious beings. That’s my first.
Dr. Greene: So, yes, it is hard to accept (laughter). But I wouldn’t…
Audience member: So, can you say something…
Dr. Greene: ...I wouldn’t go as far as to say there’s no novelty. but yes, free will may go away.
Female three: So, free will, meaning choice. There’s no such thing as choice?
Dr. Greene: That’s right.
Audience member: I do not choose to love. I do not choose to extend myself. I don’t choose to live, to get back to Camus.
Dr. Greene: Well, it all depends on what you mean by choose. So, if by choose, you mean that you could have done otherwise, then I would say yes. But I would say that you need to redefine the meaning of the word choose. Choose is the sensation of choosing. Now it is the fact that the laws of physics were just playing themselves out, and that is fundamentally why you did what you did. But to choose is to have the sensation of making that choice. And we all have that sensation. And that is a definition which I think works well. It does require a little bit of rejiggering of your intuition to recognize that it may be the case that it — the laws of physics that are behind the scenes doing it all. But yes, that sensation of choice is real. And that’s what we should redefine free will to mean.
Audience member: Free will to…
Dr. Greene: Free will is the sensation of making the choice. Even though, behind the scenes, the laws of physics were pulling the strings (laughter).
Audience member: Thank you. I’m still not persuaded (laughter). My second question, though, has to do with positing the divine reality, which, you know, let’s use the God word. Why do you keep positing it above and beyond, since we in the theological guild are not doing that anymore?
Dr. Greene: Well if you use the word God to mean a being that is composed of the same stuff that we see in the world around us, governed by the same laws that that stuff is governed by, then God is a perfectly coherent and sensible idea. And if that’s what you mean by it, then we’re talking the same language. But if you mean what traditionally is meant by God, which is a being that can intercede, that can cause things to happen that are not governed by the laws of physics, then we are talking different languages.
And I should say I’m not saying that that idea is wrong. It may be right. It may be that God is behind it all. Maybe God set it all up and, you know, there’s some variations of these ideas where God sits back and lets it all play itself out. And that could well be what’s going on. What I really mean to say is not that the idea is wrong, but as a scientist, I find it profoundly uninteresting, because it gives me no new insight into any of the deep questions that we’ve been talking about here. Doesn’t help me calculate anything. Doesn’t help me gain some insight into these big mysteries. It simply takes one mystery and uses another three-letter-word to re-label that mystery. And that is why I don’t find it interesting. Not that it’s wrong, I don’t find it interesting.
This section shows just how intimately Greene's desire to debunk God is tied into his materialistic insistence on destroying the meaning of free will. It's hard to decide what is the more basic desideratum, insisting on the supremacy of materialism and so their professional prestige or destroying God. Those are the overriding motives, and they don't mind rather naively and ignorantly killing off free will and with astonishing insouciance, the possibility that thoughts can surpass the peculiar biochemistry that they insist on to achieve truth or their still cluelessly insisted on objectivity. You can't get an objective and universal result from the specific, particular and randomly incomplete components that go into that result. Certainly not one that someone with different antecedent components has to or even possibly could agree with.
Saturday, February 1, 2014
Veras Boclé Bernier
Veras Boclé Bernier
Live au Kerganer à Lanloup (Bretagne)
Nelson Veras
Gildas Boclé
Simon Bernier
I believe Veras got rid of the scary thumb nail thing. If I'd had one of those Godin guitars, I might have taken up playing jazz. I love it.
The Materialists Can't Come Up With an Adequate Case Against Our Experience of Consciousness
Once the great scholar of Zen Buddhism, Daisetz Teitaro Suzuki, attended a gathering of western philosophers in Hawaii. The topic was "reality". While the other philosophers went on and on about reality this and reality that, Suzuki just sat there. One of the accounts I recall also said he seemed annoyed but he said nothing. Finally the chairman said, "You've been silent for the whole meeting. Would you like to say something about reality?" But D. T. Suzuki didn't say anything. The chairman said, "Well, is this table real?" Suzuki said, "Yes". Perhaps surprised by such a definite answer he asked Suzuki, "Well, in what sense is it real?" Suzuki said, "In every sense."
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I read a transcript of and listened to a rather astonishing and quite revealing attempt at an interview with the semi-pro level, University of California San Diego, "neuro-philosopher" Patricia Churchland, and am left both appalled at her conduct and wondering what it could reveal about her academic product. It's fairly obvious that Churchland couldn't really discuss her ideas with someone who didn't already accept them, something that isn't unusual among materialists. They just expect or insist that everything be weighted in their favor and ride on that. No, they definitely insist on that, pretending that any other point of view is disallowed even before the discussion begins.
Things weren't going well, she'd apparently already hung up once, and then when he called her back the interviewer, Alex Tsakiris, pointed out that she had misrepresented the opinion of the researcher into near death experience, Dr. Pin Von Lommel
Alex Tsakiris: Well, I guess one of the things I did want to ask you is in your book you ask the question, “Is there a neurobiological explanation for near-death experience?” Then you cite NDE researcher and a former guest on this show as answering that question with yes. You say that Dr. Pim Von Lommel believes the answer is yes. Is that your understanding of his research?
Dr. Patricia Churchland: Well, I think there’s certainly quite a bit of evidence that at least some near-death experiences have a neurobiological basis. Of course, we can’t be sure about all of them. Maybe you had one that doesn’t have a neurobiological basis. I wouldn’t really know, would I?
Alex Tsakiris: Well specifically, Dr. Churchland, you cite in your book that Dr. Pim Von Lommel holds that opinion. That’s clearly not the case. I mean, he’s written…
Dr. Patricia Churchland: Has he? Uh-huh (Yes).
Alex Tsakiris: Right. Do you want me to read to you what he’s written? He’s written that “The study of patients with near-death experience (and this is from The Lancet paper that you’re citing) clearly shows us that…”
[Churchland hangs up]
I'm not terribly well versed in the literature surrounding near death experience, though I've read some of what is being said. Von Lommel's name is one that I was familiar with and there is no possible way for someone who has read him to mistake his opinions for those Churchland attributed to him*. On another website Michael Prescott had this to say:
As I recall, Michael Shermer misrepresented Von Lommel's study in an article for Scientific American. He said the study supported a biological basis for NDEs, when Von Lommel's actual conclusion was the opposite. I doubt this was intentional on Shermer's part; most likely he just hadn't read the paper very carefully.
My guess is that Churchland picked up the idea there, and never looked at the primary source (Von Lommel's paper).
Which would be a very serious lapse in academic practice, the kind of thing that if a non-materilist were found doing it could dog them for the rest of their life. Only materialists are, in fact, allowed the benefit of a double standard. They grant themselves one and they are, largely, in control of much of academia and the higher end of the popular media, having bullied out other frames of reference.
You do have to hear the interview as well as read the transcript to see just how incredibly disreputably Churchland acted. An opera singer or movie actor who did what she did would be discredited by it.
One thing I find hard to believe in what was said is that Michael Shermer could have read the Lancet article at all and made that mistake by mistake. You would have to be functionally illiterate and make that mistake.
The interview is quite astonishing in what it shows about the sloppiness of Churchland's thinking. Here is the first problem I noticed with it, from the comments at Alex Tsakiris's blog
I see a really big problem with what Churchland is saying. She says,
"Ahh, okay. What always puzzled Descartes is if there is an independent non-physical soul, how does it interact with the physical brain? The problem with dualism is that nobody has ever been able to address that in a meaningful, testable way."
1. If consciousness isn't physical, there is no reason to expect that it would have the same properties as physical matter, it would seem unreasonable to expect it to because then it would be the same thing as physical matter. If it is different it's unreasonable to expect to understand it in the same terms as physical matter.
2, The "tests" are all designed to address physical entities with the properties of physical entities, they would be inadequate to address non-physical entities. For all anyone knows, nonphysical entities could interact directly with matter in ways different than physical objects and forces react with other physical objects and forces. It's quite possible that they constantly interact with them or some of them, such as our bodies, and we don't have the ability "to address them in a meaningful, testable way".
3. That it is inconvenient to the needs of materialist academics that those can't be tested in the way that academics have decided is the only way they will accept that, through the narrow filter of the physical sciences, doesn't really matter. The convenience of academics doesn't determine the nature of reality, no matter how much they like to pretend it does. Dualism isn't disproven, it's merely unfashionable. And it isn't necessarily the only alternative, it's just one that has some history due to Descartes' fame.
She, like every materialist I've ever encountered, insists on everyone limiting themselves to her preferred framing, no one is obligated to limit themselves that way.
Here's a new law, of the kind that people like to bandy around online to show how up to date and modernistic they are.
NO ACADEMIC WHO DEBUNKS CONSCIOUSNESS SHOULD EVER BE CONSIDERED AS ANYTHING BUT AS AN IDIOT AND A RIDICULOUS HYPOCRITE.
Churchland and her husband Paul Churchland are kind of big deals in the minor philosophical school called "eliminative materialism," a sibling of the discredited but hardly discontinued school, logical positivism**. Those aren't so much intellectual efforts to discern the nature of reality as they are ideological attempts to outlaw ideas their proponents don't like. They are a bullying effort. The logical positivists were, and, let's be honest, are big on declaring ideas they don't like to be nonsensical or meaningless by fiat, when it's clear that those ideas have very definite meanings to the people who discuss them and anyone who doesn't agree with them but are quite able to argue against them as well as for them. It is a rather low level intellectual pretense, but apparently that has been the best that materialism can do with those annoyingly persistent things like consciousness and freedom and peoples' experience that leads them to think that they can think.
The bigger problem, as a clearly shocked Alex Tsakiris noted after Churchland's last hang up, this kind of thing is the majority position in academia, today.
What’s going on here? How have we devolved into a scientific and academic system that props up such nonsense?
Again, the really scary thing about Dr. Churchland is that her opinion is the status quo majority opinion. It’s nonsensical; it’s indefensible, but it’s the majority opinion. And don’t question it.
And if that's the case for academia, it's even more the case for the lazy, ignorant climbers on lower levels of culture, such as the media. The massively qualified researcher, Dr. Dean Radin noted that recently, as well. Massively more qualified to even be taken seriously than either of the Churchlands, that is.
I'm old enough to remember when you could talk to people with college education about ideas outside of the materialist straight jacket and not have eyes ceremonially roll up and condescending dismissal in lieu of discussion happen. That has changed as post-literacy has taken hold. We aren't in some new age of scientifically improved intellectual discourse, we are in an age when a pretense of science, especially the softest of soft quasi-science, such as the Churchlands represent, are an Index Prohibitorum, not a lamp of reason. I hate to look back at the 1960s and even 1970s as even a silver age in the culture of the educated class but this period is definitely one for which fool's gold is the more appropriate metallic standard.
* With lack of evidence for any other theories for NDE, the thus far assumed, but never proven, concept that consciousness and memories are localised in the brain should be discussed. How could a clear consciousness outside one's body be experienced at the moment that the brain no longer functions during a period of clinical death with flat EEG?22 Also, in cardiac arrest the EEG usually becomes flat in most cases within about 10 s from onset of syncope.29,30 Furthermore, blind people have described veridical perception during out-of-body experiences at the time of this experience.31 NDE pushes at the limits of medical ideas about the range of human consciousness and the mind-brain relation.
Another theory holds that NDE might be a changing state of consciousness (transcendence), in which identity, cognition, and emotion function independently from the unconscious body, but retain the possibility of non-sensory perception.7,8,22,28,31
Research should be concentrated on the effort to explain scientifically the occurrence and content of NDE. Research should be focused on certain specific elements of NDE, such as out-of-body experiences and other verifiable aspects. Finally, the theory and background of transcendence should be included as a part of an explanatory framework for these experiences.
Near-death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest: a prospective study in the Netherlands Lommel et al. 2001 Lancet
** Logical positivism, discredited in the early to middle decades of the last century lives on as the favorite of the atheist-materialists and their mirror identity as the pseudo-skeptics. Many scientists who try to retire into those industries hold some sort of folk log-pos ideas, phrases, really, as the sum total of their knowledge of philosophy. Scientists should either spend the time to master some philosophy, including what has been discredited by both science and, more definitively, mathematics, or they should not expose themselves as ignorant by declaiming on such matters. It will impress the ignorant but not anyone who knows even as little as I do about it.
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I read a transcript of and listened to a rather astonishing and quite revealing attempt at an interview with the semi-pro level, University of California San Diego, "neuro-philosopher" Patricia Churchland, and am left both appalled at her conduct and wondering what it could reveal about her academic product. It's fairly obvious that Churchland couldn't really discuss her ideas with someone who didn't already accept them, something that isn't unusual among materialists. They just expect or insist that everything be weighted in their favor and ride on that. No, they definitely insist on that, pretending that any other point of view is disallowed even before the discussion begins.
Things weren't going well, she'd apparently already hung up once, and then when he called her back the interviewer, Alex Tsakiris, pointed out that she had misrepresented the opinion of the researcher into near death experience, Dr. Pin Von Lommel
Alex Tsakiris: Well, I guess one of the things I did want to ask you is in your book you ask the question, “Is there a neurobiological explanation for near-death experience?” Then you cite NDE researcher and a former guest on this show as answering that question with yes. You say that Dr. Pim Von Lommel believes the answer is yes. Is that your understanding of his research?
Dr. Patricia Churchland: Well, I think there’s certainly quite a bit of evidence that at least some near-death experiences have a neurobiological basis. Of course, we can’t be sure about all of them. Maybe you had one that doesn’t have a neurobiological basis. I wouldn’t really know, would I?
Alex Tsakiris: Well specifically, Dr. Churchland, you cite in your book that Dr. Pim Von Lommel holds that opinion. That’s clearly not the case. I mean, he’s written…
Dr. Patricia Churchland: Has he? Uh-huh (Yes).
Alex Tsakiris: Right. Do you want me to read to you what he’s written? He’s written that “The study of patients with near-death experience (and this is from The Lancet paper that you’re citing) clearly shows us that…”
[Churchland hangs up]
I'm not terribly well versed in the literature surrounding near death experience, though I've read some of what is being said. Von Lommel's name is one that I was familiar with and there is no possible way for someone who has read him to mistake his opinions for those Churchland attributed to him*. On another website Michael Prescott had this to say:
As I recall, Michael Shermer misrepresented Von Lommel's study in an article for Scientific American. He said the study supported a biological basis for NDEs, when Von Lommel's actual conclusion was the opposite. I doubt this was intentional on Shermer's part; most likely he just hadn't read the paper very carefully.
My guess is that Churchland picked up the idea there, and never looked at the primary source (Von Lommel's paper).
Which would be a very serious lapse in academic practice, the kind of thing that if a non-materilist were found doing it could dog them for the rest of their life. Only materialists are, in fact, allowed the benefit of a double standard. They grant themselves one and they are, largely, in control of much of academia and the higher end of the popular media, having bullied out other frames of reference.
You do have to hear the interview as well as read the transcript to see just how incredibly disreputably Churchland acted. An opera singer or movie actor who did what she did would be discredited by it.
One thing I find hard to believe in what was said is that Michael Shermer could have read the Lancet article at all and made that mistake by mistake. You would have to be functionally illiterate and make that mistake.
The interview is quite astonishing in what it shows about the sloppiness of Churchland's thinking. Here is the first problem I noticed with it, from the comments at Alex Tsakiris's blog
I see a really big problem with what Churchland is saying. She says,
"Ahh, okay. What always puzzled Descartes is if there is an independent non-physical soul, how does it interact with the physical brain? The problem with dualism is that nobody has ever been able to address that in a meaningful, testable way."
1. If consciousness isn't physical, there is no reason to expect that it would have the same properties as physical matter, it would seem unreasonable to expect it to because then it would be the same thing as physical matter. If it is different it's unreasonable to expect to understand it in the same terms as physical matter.
2, The "tests" are all designed to address physical entities with the properties of physical entities, they would be inadequate to address non-physical entities. For all anyone knows, nonphysical entities could interact directly with matter in ways different than physical objects and forces react with other physical objects and forces. It's quite possible that they constantly interact with them or some of them, such as our bodies, and we don't have the ability "to address them in a meaningful, testable way".
3. That it is inconvenient to the needs of materialist academics that those can't be tested in the way that academics have decided is the only way they will accept that, through the narrow filter of the physical sciences, doesn't really matter. The convenience of academics doesn't determine the nature of reality, no matter how much they like to pretend it does. Dualism isn't disproven, it's merely unfashionable. And it isn't necessarily the only alternative, it's just one that has some history due to Descartes' fame.
She, like every materialist I've ever encountered, insists on everyone limiting themselves to her preferred framing, no one is obligated to limit themselves that way.
Here's a new law, of the kind that people like to bandy around online to show how up to date and modernistic they are.
NO ACADEMIC WHO DEBUNKS CONSCIOUSNESS SHOULD EVER BE CONSIDERED AS ANYTHING BUT AS AN IDIOT AND A RIDICULOUS HYPOCRITE.
Churchland and her husband Paul Churchland are kind of big deals in the minor philosophical school called "eliminative materialism," a sibling of the discredited but hardly discontinued school, logical positivism**. Those aren't so much intellectual efforts to discern the nature of reality as they are ideological attempts to outlaw ideas their proponents don't like. They are a bullying effort. The logical positivists were, and, let's be honest, are big on declaring ideas they don't like to be nonsensical or meaningless by fiat, when it's clear that those ideas have very definite meanings to the people who discuss them and anyone who doesn't agree with them but are quite able to argue against them as well as for them. It is a rather low level intellectual pretense, but apparently that has been the best that materialism can do with those annoyingly persistent things like consciousness and freedom and peoples' experience that leads them to think that they can think.
The bigger problem, as a clearly shocked Alex Tsakiris noted after Churchland's last hang up, this kind of thing is the majority position in academia, today.
What’s going on here? How have we devolved into a scientific and academic system that props up such nonsense?
Again, the really scary thing about Dr. Churchland is that her opinion is the status quo majority opinion. It’s nonsensical; it’s indefensible, but it’s the majority opinion. And don’t question it.
And if that's the case for academia, it's even more the case for the lazy, ignorant climbers on lower levels of culture, such as the media. The massively qualified researcher, Dr. Dean Radin noted that recently, as well. Massively more qualified to even be taken seriously than either of the Churchlands, that is.
I'm old enough to remember when you could talk to people with college education about ideas outside of the materialist straight jacket and not have eyes ceremonially roll up and condescending dismissal in lieu of discussion happen. That has changed as post-literacy has taken hold. We aren't in some new age of scientifically improved intellectual discourse, we are in an age when a pretense of science, especially the softest of soft quasi-science, such as the Churchlands represent, are an Index Prohibitorum, not a lamp of reason. I hate to look back at the 1960s and even 1970s as even a silver age in the culture of the educated class but this period is definitely one for which fool's gold is the more appropriate metallic standard.
* With lack of evidence for any other theories for NDE, the thus far assumed, but never proven, concept that consciousness and memories are localised in the brain should be discussed. How could a clear consciousness outside one's body be experienced at the moment that the brain no longer functions during a period of clinical death with flat EEG?22 Also, in cardiac arrest the EEG usually becomes flat in most cases within about 10 s from onset of syncope.29,30 Furthermore, blind people have described veridical perception during out-of-body experiences at the time of this experience.31 NDE pushes at the limits of medical ideas about the range of human consciousness and the mind-brain relation.
Another theory holds that NDE might be a changing state of consciousness (transcendence), in which identity, cognition, and emotion function independently from the unconscious body, but retain the possibility of non-sensory perception.7,8,22,28,31
Research should be concentrated on the effort to explain scientifically the occurrence and content of NDE. Research should be focused on certain specific elements of NDE, such as out-of-body experiences and other verifiable aspects. Finally, the theory and background of transcendence should be included as a part of an explanatory framework for these experiences.
Near-death experience in survivors of cardiac arrest: a prospective study in the Netherlands Lommel et al. 2001 Lancet
** Logical positivism, discredited in the early to middle decades of the last century lives on as the favorite of the atheist-materialists and their mirror identity as the pseudo-skeptics. Many scientists who try to retire into those industries hold some sort of folk log-pos ideas, phrases, really, as the sum total of their knowledge of philosophy. Scientists should either spend the time to master some philosophy, including what has been discredited by both science and, more definitively, mathematics, or they should not expose themselves as ignorant by declaiming on such matters. It will impress the ignorant but not anyone who knows even as little as I do about it.
Well, I Suppose This Means I've Got To Be Inspired
SAINT-QUENTIN-EN-YVELINES, France (AP) — Age hasn’t slowed cyclist Robert Marchand.
The 102-year-old Frenchman broke his own world record in the over-100s category Friday, riding 26.927 kilometers (16.7 miles) in one hour, more than 2.5 kilometers better than his previous best time in the race against the clock two years ago.
By way of comparison, the current overall world record for one hour is 49.700 kilometers (30.882 miles) set by Czech Ondrej Sosenka in 2005.
Marchand, a retired firefighter and logger, also holds the record for someone over the age of 100 riding 100 kilometers (62 miles). He did it in four hours, 17 minutes and 27 seconds in 2012.
Marchand received a standing ovation and was mobbed by dozens of photographers and cameramen at the finish line in France’s new National Velodrome, a 74-million-euro ($100 million) complex that officially opened its doors Thursday.
The athlete smiled and raised his arms at the finish, supported by two assistants. ‘‘It was very good, but at the end it started to become very hard!’’ he said.
Maybe that's the difference between him and most of us. I'd be inclined to say it started to become very hard AT THE BEGINNING. But I do find something like this at least a bit inspiring. I mean, he looks better than lots of people my age and he's obviously having more fun.
I Don't Remember That Happening Before
For some reason Blogger is just displaying this February 1st material, hiding what I posted last week. I don't recall that happening before and can't figure out how to change it in the settings. Oh, well, for now they're available in the index on the sidebar.
A Continuation of That Exchange From Yesterday
- * We'd gotten into it about whether or not Christians all believed in eternal damnation elsewhere and I quoted a number of verses implying if not promoting universal salvation.
- The cast comes off in two weeks, they think.
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